Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 18121]

Absolutely agree, but I don’t think it’s any different to any other vote we hold.

couldn't agree more, this is why I think it's a little "pointless" to argue about who voted for which lie sold from which side....because lets be honest, a lot of people who vote are scared of change, dont like change and will therefore vote for the status quo as they want their lives to stay the same....along with those that have no clue and vote whichever way their mates were going to.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I am always amazed that a few folk on here seem to know exactly why 17 million voters voted leave.
I heard one poor wee soul say he voted leave to give the Tories a scare.
He definitely achieved that.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Part of the issue around "what people voted for" is that some voted remain because they didn't want their holidays to spain to be compromised.

As many ignorant people voted leave as voted remain. IMO.

I was not saying leave voters were all ignorant. As mentioned above there are stupid people who will vote, always have been and always will be. It's when the information given to people to base that decision on is deliberately manipulated to such an extent that some of it is basic lies it becomes a problem for society. As inevitably people will feel let down and disenfranchised as I image we will see over the next few weeks, months, years.

 

[Tashyboy]

I am always amazed that a few folk on here seem to know exactly why 17 million voters voted leave.
I heard one poor wee soul say he voted leave to give the Tories a scare.
He definitely achieved that.

Scare, he's given them a heart attack. 😂😂

What makes me chuckle is re people not knowing what they voted for but now they do. How do they, which liar are they listening to now. The internet is full of clips and manifesto pledges from all parties saying what they would do in the event of leaving the EU, probably from before we even entered the EU. Yet since then we have been lied to from both remain and leave camps re actually what they are doing as against what they said. Some gave the grandest promises possible yet when it came to producing the goods they abandoned ship like shithouse rats.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

couldn't agree more, this is why I think it's a little "pointless" to argue about who voted for which lie sold from which side....because lets be honest, a lot of people who vote are scared of change, dont like change and will therefore vote for the status quo as they want their lives to stay the same....along with those that have no clue and vote whichever way their mates were going to.

So why do people on here keep making definitive statements about what they voted for? Yes or No didn’t and couldn’t cover every scenario, we can say what we as an individual preferred or understood it to of meant to them.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I am always amazed that a few folk on here seem to know exactly why 17 million voters voted leave.
I heard one poor wee soul say he voted leave to give the Tories a scare.
He definitely achieved that.

My mother-in-law voted Leave because Cameron voted Remain and even upto yesterday she still says if Cameron had voted Leave she’d of voted Remain.

 

[ColchesterFC]

My mother-in-law voted Leave because Cameron voted Remain and even upto yesterday she still says if Cameron had voted Leave she’d of voted Remain.

That's probably one of the more sensible reasons for choosing how to vote.

 

[patricks148]

is this not just another ploy to deflect the media interest away from TM and her ineptitude, its now all of a sudden on JK. This has always been about the Tories making a total balls up and putting their party before the Country...... again

 

[Mudball]

How TM must have hope that Andrea L had won the leadership vote.... Over the last few weeks Andrea keeps going down the pan in my books. Had not seen this video earlier of her vision of where we would be..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1112894400315748354

She does live in cloud cuckooland and a Tory version of D Abbot.. Love her version of Passporting >>

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108047036094574593

... I assume no one told her that Billions have moved out of the city. It is 'leaders' like this that give Leave a bad name...

 

[spongebob59]

Downing Street has confirmed Theresa May will meet Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon today after meeting Jeremy Corbyn

 

[Blue in Munich]

I was not saying leave voters were all ignorant. As mentioned above there are stupid people who will vote, always have been and always will be. It's when the information given to people to base that decision on is deliberately manipulated to such an extent that some of it is basic lies it becomes a problem for society. As inevitably people will feel let down and disenfranchised as I image we will see over the next few weeks, months, years.

Amazing isn’t it, especially when the base information from Remain was 100% accurate and none of it has been proven to be wrong, like the Chancellor’s accurate predictions of how much it would cost each household? 🙄

I thought you more intelligent than that.

 

[bluewolf]

Amazing isn’t it, especially when the base information from Remain was 100% accurate and none of it has been proven to be wrong, like the Chancellor’s accurate predictions of how much it would cost each household? 🙄

I thought you more intelligent than that.

I don't think that anyone's saying that both sides didn't lie. They did. However, once the Vote was won, only one sides lies are then important as they are then highlighted as they need to be acted on.

If Remain had won then we'd now be discussing the lies that they told. But they didn't, so we're not.

 

[Blue in Munich]

How TM must have hope that Andrea L had won the leadership vote.... Over the last few weeks Andrea keeps going down the pan in my books. Had not seen this video earlier of her vision of where we would be..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1112894400315748354

She does live in cloud cuckooland and a Tory version of D Abbot.. Love her version of Passporting >>

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108047036094574593

... I assume no one told her that Billions have moved out of the city. It is 'leaders' like this that give Leave a bad name...

Maybe if she had won she might have actually have achieved some or all of this? Unlike TM she is a Leaver so might actually tried to Leave, rather than implement TM’s vision of trying to please (fool?) all of the people all of the time.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Interesting article in the Irish press, seems quite a sensible approach to me.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...rexit-no-tariffs-for-irish-border-910627.html

 

[Blue in Munich]

I don't think that anyone's saying that both sides didn't lie. They did. However, once the Vote was won, only one sides lies are then important as they are then highlighted as they need to be acted on.

If Remain had won then we'd now be discussing the lies that they told. But they didn't, so we're not.

Would we? Had Remain won everything would have returned to what it was before within weeks if not days. The sole reason we are still discussing the campaign inaccuracies is because a number of Remain voters are not prepared to accept the result; I don’t believe this would have been the case had Leave lost. Just my opinion of course. 😉

 

[Hacker Khan]

Amazing isn’t it, especially when the base information from Remain was 100% accurate and none of it has been proven to be wrong, like the Chancellor’s accurate predictions of how much it would cost each household? 🙄

I thought you more intelligent than that.

Again I never stated that one side lied and one side told the truth. The original comment was that if lies are told to obtain a vote then that is bad for society. As eventually those that have been lied to get upset and disenfranchised. 2 of you have now taken that as me saying that leavers are ignorant or that one side told lies and one told the truth. See Bluewolfs comment above as he seems to have got what I was saying.

 

[Blue in Munich]

You said that not all Leave voters were ignorant in the post I quoted. Which by implication means some Leave voters were ignorant. What would be more accurate would be to say not all voters were ignorant.

Yes if lies are told to obtain a vote then it is wrong, which is exactly what both sides did.

 

[Foxholer]

You may have noticed that I didn't blame the people who voted. I blamed the people who fed them excrement from the start.

That may have been the case, but it 'the recipient' that's at fault for believing the 'excrement' was anything other than excrement!

And that also applies to those believing any 'excrement' that may be stated now or in the future!

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Would we? Had Remain won everything would have returned to what it was before within weeks if not days. The sole reason we are still discussing the campaign inaccuracies is because a number of Remain voters are not prepared to accept the result; I don’t believe this would have been the case had Leave lost. Just my opinion of course. 😉

fully agree with this. I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that if remain had won that not a single media outlet would have wanted to spend 2.5 years reporting about the subject and desperately try to overturn the result.

 

[Tashyboy]

Downing Street has confirmed Theresa May will meet Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon today after meeting Jeremy Corbyn

Wonder which ends of the pantomime horse Corbyn and Sturgeon will be in.. 🤔