jp5
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Extremists on both sides unfortunately. A sensible way through would be found in the middle ground.
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drdel
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A quick point of fact... Comment was based on seeing the real-time action being 'filmed' (while passing the march not while participating) compared to the later edited broadcast.
I'd also add that the bit I saw seemed to be taking place in a relatively relaxed atmosphere and with good humour between the two factions.
I'd also add that the bit I saw seemed to be taking place in a relatively relaxed atmosphere and with good humour between the two factions.
oxymoron
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Is he trying to be the new Diane Abbott ?
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You're quite right, but who can we "blame" for that?
I know I'll be accused again of seeing bias where I want, but the fact that some choose not to believe it doesnt make it lies.......I see news reports and I see football hooligan-esque, skin head troublemakers shown at leave events....then we cut to remain events and see level headed family types complaining their future has been sold down the river and we must save our country.
I firmly believe that there are idiots on both sides of the story, but I dont believe both sides are portrayed equally.
bluewolf
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I distrust the visuals as much as anyone. However, my nephew was on the front line of both marches (as a serving Police Officer) and the difference in behaviour was significant. No trouble at all on the Remain march. Even when Leave voters interacted it was good natured. By contrast, the Leave march was apparently like a football crowd. Aggressive behaviour. Drunken loutish men, threatening anyone who appeared different.
I know that not all Leave voters are thick racists, but unfortunately, the cause has been hijacked by the Far Right. Ironically, this is giving the politicians a bloody good reason to marginalise and ignore the entire Leave vote
spongebob59
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SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford confirms his party will vote for a plan to stay in the single market and customs union in tonight's votes on #Brexit
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This is where I hope people are intelligent and savvy enough to know that a few thousand people attending a march dont represent the 17.4m who voted leave.
I'd genuinely be interested in the stats on a 2nd vote. I went to a golf society day last week and spoke to 3 of the guys there who were talking brexit and all 3 said they'd now vote to leave purely on a moralistic point.
I've never know a subject to divide people to this extent.
robinthehood
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They are showing the news as it is. The leave protest had an address from edl founder Tommy Robinson. The referendum has been and gone, it can't be influenced by bias can it.
bluewolf
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I'd expect Leave to win again. Probably with the same percentages. I know several Leave voters who've changed their minds, but I suspect they'll be cancelled out by Remain voters who just want it to be over and done with. The only chance Remain has got is that enough young people vote to make the change
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spongebob59
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So @CiceroGlobal have crunched the numbers and have @NickBoles's Common Market 2.0 motion winning by 307 to 253, now that Labour are whipping in favour of it. As the least Brexity of all the Brexit options, that would put an enormous predatory cat among the Tory pigeons...
And it would reinforce the PM's case to her rebel MPs that if they hold out against her deal till it can't even make a Carrie style hand-up-through-the-grave comeback, they may end up with the kind of Brexit that would might well be identified as Remain in a police line up
And it would reinforce the PM's case to her rebel MPs that if they hold out against her deal till it can't even make a Carrie style hand-up-through-the-grave comeback, they may end up with the kind of Brexit that would might well be identified as Remain in a police line up
Hacker Khan
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Isn't it the case that some of the rebel Tory MPs would like a softer Brexit so they won't come on board to vote for her deal if there is a softer alternative? So unless the DUP come on board to back up the ERGers who will now vote for the deal she is stuffed anyway? Or are there enough labour MPs who will ignore the whip and vote for the deal?
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Doon frae Troon
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I think you could add to that the number of young people who did not vote at the first opportunity.
This for me shouldn’t be allowed. I know if there’s a second vote theylll have that chance. But imo if you couldn’t be bothered to turn up last time you don’t get to this time.
All people who’ve come of age obviously now have a chance.
Hacker Khan
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But if there is another vote there will be different options on the ballot paper. Jokes about democracy aside, you can't exclude people from voting on a subject just because they did not vote the last time a question was asked about the subject. There may well have been people that were not arsed either way last time but this time have a strong view on wanting to remain, wanting to have a hard Brexit etc etc. Why should they not be allowed a vote?
If it comes to a vote on the style of brexit then I’m fully for all getting a vote. I s8mpy meant if it ended up being a revote.
Irrespective of there being further infor available now, if they couldn’t get off their arse last time then they don’t deserve a second chance.
If there is a second vote I'd hope that expats would be allowed to vote. What happens with Brexit has an economic impact on expats abroad and their families in the UK.
Doon frae Troon
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Joanna Cherrie presently making more sense of Brexit in the last 20 mins than the Tory party has in the last 37 months.
Doon frae Troon
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Totally disagree with that, what the UK government agreed was good for 2014 should be good for 2019,
Foxholer
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Interesting point of view, but, imo, undemocratic!
For a start... Do you actually know that the 'couldn't be bothered? And so what if they 'couldn't be bothered' last time. The fact that they CAN be bothered next time (which I fundamentally object to anyway) surely gives them the right to do so!
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