Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Jamesbrown]

I don't believe Corbyn wants to be PM yet, because we are still in the EU.
That would mean he'd have to negotiate a leave deal, which I think is nigh on impossible to do, when I don't believe he wants to negotiate with anyone.
I think he wants to become PM AFTER we've left the EU so he won't have to negotiate deals with anyone.
He'll then be in charge of an independant state which he could then totally ruin without the interference of Europe!

If he was remotely serious about being PM, he’d get rid of Dianne Abbott! Joke of a party with that by his side.

 

[Foxholer]

Twaddle!!

I couldn't have put it better myself!

 

[SocketRocket]

To be fair, he said your post was rubbish, not you. I can’t see an insult in it.

Exactly, he said my post was rubbish. I can accept someone saying they think I'm wrong or they disagree but if he was speaking to me face to face and started his reply with "Rubish" then I wouldnt discuss it further.

 

[SocketRocket]

Oh the irony!

Though it should reduce the amount of balderdash/twaddle I have to read through

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[User62651]

Seems Dominic Grieve who is acknowledged as a good MP, a statesman with integrity and brains, to be deselected by his local Tory association which has been invaded by UKIP new 'members' over the last year registering as Conservatives to force this. Tory central office should get on top of that.

If he is booted out for some fat thick unpleasant Mark Francois type I hope he stands for the new lot and voters stand by him so he wins next GE seat or by election. Need more bright considered MPs in his mould imo.

Where is leadership??? Bloody mess.

 

[bluewolf]

Seems Dominic Grieve who is acknowledged as a good MP, a statesman with integrity and brains, to be deselected by his local Tory association which has been invaded by UKIP new 'members' over the last year registering as Conservatives to force this. Tory central office should get on top of that.

If he is booted out for some fat thick unpleasant Mark Francois type I hope he stands for the new lot and voters stand by him so he wins next GE seat or by election. Need more bright considered MPs in his mould imo.

Where is leadership??? Bloody mess.

Even more ridiculous when you considee that his constituency voted to Remain! Politics in this country has been invaded by poorly educated dicksweats from the Far Left and Far Right. It's been ignored too long and allowed to fester like an infection. It'll only stop when people start to condemn it.

 

[robinthehood]

Exactly, he said my post was rubbish. I can accept someone saying they think I'm wrong or they disagree but if he was speaking to me face to face and started his reply with "Rubish" then I wouldnt discuss it further.

Come on, all you do is try and shout down others and mislead with half truths and other BS peddled by Bojo & co, when you get found out you turn to just being insulting.

 

[SocketRocket]

Come on, all you do is try and shout down others and mislead with half truths and other BS peddled by Bojo & co, when you get found out you turn to just being insulting.

So you have nothing to add to the discussion but insults. It's very ironic.

 

[robinthehood]

So you have nothing to add to the discussion but insults. It's very ironic.

Ah the very post that proves the point.

 

[SocketRocket]

Seems Dominic Grieve who is acknowledged as a good MP, a statesman with integrity and brains, to be deselected by his local Tory association which has been invaded by UKIP new 'members' over the last year registering as Conservatives to force this. Tory central office should get on top of that.

If he is booted out for some fat thick unpleasant Mark Francois type I hope he stands for the new lot and voters stand by him so he wins next GE seat or by election. Need more bright considered MPs in his mould imo.

Where is leadership??? Bloody mess.

Grieve has worked consistently against his parties manifesto on Brexit, he also votes against the party whip. I agree he is a clever MP and other than his Brexit views a good Conservative. He should have followed Sourbry so that his voting could be in line with his conscience.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Someone once said that to debate with someone you need to understand their thinking, which I agree with.

So in the interests of debate what about Tommy Robinsons 'manifesto' for want of a better description, so you agree with? And are there any parts you do not?

Yes and yes, but I don't feel hijacking this thread is the right place to debate him. I'll just add though for some context that I find his anti Islam stance fairly hard to swallow, but his stance on the "establishment" I often find myself nodding along to and he has rather well exposed the press, the BBC and the government for being unscrupulous.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Yes and yes, but I don't feel hijacking this thread is the right place to debate him. I'll just add though for some context that I find his anti Islam stance fairly hard to swallow, but his stance on the "establishment" I often find myself nodding along to and he has rather well exposed the press, the BBC and the government for being unscrupulous.

Must admit I am not familiar with his views on 'the establishment'. Are they along the lines of he is playing the class warrior against the establishment? He sees all MPs and press as a whole establishment thing that is there to just forward their interests, and those interests are not those of the non establishment?

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Must admit I am not familiar with his views on 'the establishment'. Are they along the lines of he is playing the class warrior against the establishment? He sees all MPs and press as a whole establishment thing that is there to just forward their interests, and those interests are not those of the non establishment?

I can't really do him justice (positive and negative) in a post... There are many many videos that he's been part of that have truly shocked me to the point that I no longer believe the rehtoric that you see in the current day press.

If you ever have some time free to waste, I'd suggest watching some of the stuff done by rebel media and also on his YouTube channel.

As I said, his anti Islam stuff is pretty hard to digest but it becomes obvious very quickly that he isn't an uneducated oaf hell bent on causing racial hatred... A lot of what he says makes sense and is hard to ignore. But I accept that his routes make it difficult to give him the time of day.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I can't really do him justice (positive and negative) in a post... There are many many videos that he's been part of that have truly shocked me to the point that I no longer believe the rehtoric that you see in the current day press.

If you ever have some time free to waste, I'd suggest watching some of the stuff done by rebel media and also on his YouTube channel.

As I said, his anti Islam stuff is pretty hard to digest but it becomes obvious very quickly that he isn't an uneducated oaf hell bent on causing racial hatred... A lot of what he says makes sense and is hard to ignore. But I accept that his routes make it difficult to give him the time of day.

Fair enough, chances are I won't search out his stuff on YouTube as currently all YouTube thinks I watch are Mark Crossfield videos so it just recommends other golf videos to me. And I don't overly want it to be recommending videos similar to Tommy Robinsons. My question would be that if the seemingly more sensible stuff is the gateway he uses to get people to listen to his anti-Islamic stuff. As from perusing his Wikipedia pages he doesn't look that much of a nice person.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Fair enough, chances are I won't search out his stuff on YouTube as currently all YouTube thinks I watch are Mark Crossfield videos so it just recommends other golf videos to me. And I don't overly want it to be recommending videos similar to Tommy Robinsons. My question would be that if the seemingly more sensible stuff is the gateway he uses to get people to listen to his anti-Islamic stuff. As from perusing his Wikipedia pages he doesn't look that much of a nice person.

Just like the BNP used to fill their website full of sensible sounding policies to hide their racist intent

He is just a massive racist who has a brain cell but decided to use his ability to turn a phrase into drumming up hatred and Ill feeling

Then theirs tommy Robinson 😂 (I kid mark seems a decent guy)

 

[SocketRocket]

Ah the very post that proves the point.

You really are pathetic. You post juvenile one liners that have zero intellectual content. You were accusing Hobbit of only posting cut and paste a week ago but come over as a knuckle dragging neanderthal yourself. I have decided not to debate with threads containing insults but I'm not sitting back when an intellectually subnormal like you tries it on.

 

[drdel]

I like to fact that the 'remain' supporters appear to have a fleet of red buses to carry supporters and further their cause1

However the truth is there is one bus but the BBC keep showing the same shot even when it is broadcasting yesterday's Leave march !!

At least communism is upfront about controlling the propaganda.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I like to fact that the 'remain' supporters appear to have a fleet of red buses to carry supporters and further their cause1

However the truth is there is one bus but the BBC keep showing the same shot even when it is broadcasting yesterday's Leave march !!

At least communism is upfront about controlling the propaganda.

Keep looking for perceived bias and you'll always find it. Also makes me wonder if the BBC is so biased then why watch it you get upset over the number of buses it is supposedly implying are in use? It's as if you are deliberately trying to be triggered.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Seems Dominic Grieve who is acknowledged as a good MP, a statesman with integrity and brains, to be deselected by his local Tory association which has been invaded by UKIP new 'members' over the last year registering as Conservatives to force this. Tory central office should get on top of that.

If he is booted out for some fat thick unpleasant Mark Francois type I hope he stands for the new lot and voters stand by him so he wins next GE seat or by election. Need more bright considered MPs in his mould imo.

Where is leadership??? Bloody mess.

That is all we need, the few remaining decent MP's from both sides being deselected by their own idiot memberships.

I would like to see Change UK [dotorg] hoover these MP's up into a big enough party to split this failed two party system short term.
Long term The UK needs a modern electoral system, pop up to Holyrood to see how sensible folk do it.

 

[Hacker Khan]

May be the one good thing that will come out of this whole sorry episode is that 2 party first past the post politics is not longer fit for purpose in the 21st century. I saw that upskirt Chope had a majority of something like 25K and you do wonder how much 'democracy' or inclusion in the political process you feel in that constituency if you are not a fan of out of touch bill blocking dinosaurs. And I am sure it is the same in some Labour constituencies, how represented do people who don't overly like antisemitism feel.