Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[drdel]

Keep looking for perceived bias and you'll always find it. Also makes me wonder if the BBC is so biased then why watch it you get upset over the number of buses it is supposedly implying are in use? It's as if you are deliberately trying to be triggered.

You are taking life too serious. It was an observation of the reality of a few people (I'd guess about 15) riding on a banner laden bus in London yesterday and comparing it to the times and context under which it has been broadcast since. If you know better, so be it.

 

[Foxholer]

May be the one good thing that will come out of this whole sorry episode is that 2 party first past the post politics is not longer fit for purpose in the 21st century. I saw that upskirt Chope had a majority of something like 25K and you do wonder how much 'democracy' or inclusion in the political process you feel in that constituency if you are not a fan of out of touch bill blocking dinosaurs. And I am sure it is the same in some Labour constituencies, how represented do people who don't overly like antisemitism feel.

It's not simply the 'big majority' electorates with 'dodgy' MPs though. Those with very good MPs are still effectively disenfranchised (at least compared to those in swing/marginal electorates) simply because they live in an area dominated by one of the parties! I would happily be a fan of a 'more balanced approach' where some sort of 'proportional representation' was included. But in that regard, the UK system (primarily the voters!) is very unsophisticated, which means the 'plebs' will almost certainly be against it - just as they overwhelmingly were when Lib-Dems extracted the referendum concession from the Tories - who weren't in favour of it in the first place!

 

[robinthehood]

You really are pathetic. You post juvenile one liners that have zero intellectual content. You were accusing Hobbit of only posting cut and paste a week ago but come over as a knuckle dragging neanderthal yourself. I have decided not to debate with threads containing insults but I'm not sitting back when an intellectually subnormal like you tries it on.

Oof, thats gonna leave you pretty dry.

 

[SocketRocket]

Oof, thats gonna leave you pretty dry.

🚮

 

[Foxholer]

I like to fact that the 'remain' supporters appear to have a fleet of red buses to carry supporters and further their cause1

However the truth is there is one bus but the BBC keep showing the same shot even when it is broadcasting yesterday's Leave march !!

At least communism is upfront about controlling the propaganda.

So a little 'more honest' than you perhaps?

Remember that some supposedly highly qualified posters on here apparently don't (or choose not to) know the difference between the 'Value of Trade' and 'Balance of Trade' terms! So, as somone both well qualified to both provide FACTS and also to have a personal opinion based on personal circumstances - and experiences - imo, you rather owe it to we plebs to make it clear when you are in 'mockery' mode. The 'Wink' emoticon (as above) seems reasonably appropriate for when you are in 'mickey-take' mode!

 

[Hacker Khan]

You are taking life too serious. It was an observation of the reality of a few people (I'd guess about 15) riding on a banner laden bus in London yesterday and comparing it to the times and context under which it has been broadcast since. If you know better, so be it.

I'm not the one being triggered by a BBC report on buses.

 

[Hobbit]

BBC bias on Brexit?

http://news-watch.co.uk/category/bbc-bias/

Ofcom has said there is no bias. Maybe there isn't but the article is worth a read. On one particular Radio 4 programme 75% of those interviewed were Remainers and 25% were Leavers. Easily done if the interviewer is in a predominantly Remain area - fair enough? Of those interviewed, the Leavers got 7% of the air time. Maybe the Remainers were more vocal.

The article as a whole might raise a few questions. Personally I don't see much bias, if any, in the interviews I've seen but I would question the quality of some of the interviewers when it comes to asking informed questions.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

BBC bias on Brexit?

http://news-watch.co.uk/category/bbc-bias/

Ofcom has said there is no bias. Maybe there isn't but the article is worth a read. On one particular Radio 4 programme 75% of those interviewed were Remainers and 25% were Leavers. Easily done if the interviewer is in a predominantly Remain area - fair enough? Of those interviewed, the Leavers got 7% of the air time. Maybe the Remainers were more vocal.

The article as a whole might raise a few questions. Personally I don't see much bias, if any, in the interviews I've seen but I would question the quality of some of the interviewers when it comes to asking informed questions.

Not much coverage of the Channel 4 Team being threatened and chased away from filming yesterday’s march, I thought they’d want the coverage.

 

[robinthehood]

BBC bias on Brexit?

http://news-watch.co.uk/category/bbc-bias/

Ofcom has said there is no bias. Maybe there isn't but the article is worth a read. On one particular Radio 4 programme 75% of those interviewed were Remainers and 25% were Leavers. Easily done if the interviewer is in a predominantly Remain area - fair enough? Of those interviewed, the Leavers got 7% of the air time. Maybe the Remainers were more vocal.

The article as a whole might raise a few questions. Personally I don't see much bias, if any, in the interviews I've seen but I would question the quality of some of the interviewers when it comes to asking informed questions.

Who are news watch? Are they an impartial organisation? I'm not familiar with them.

 

[Hobbit]

Who are news watch? Are they an impartial organisation? I'm not familiar with them.

I can't find anything independent about News-watch. For who they are click on "About News-watch" on their own page. Also, the next header along on their page is all their reports dating back to 1999.

Reading some of the reports gives the impression of bias by the BBC, backed by numbers of interviewees supporting Remain 'v' numbers of interviewees supporting Leave. On the face of it, having now read through several reports, it doesn't paint a pretty picture but, ideally, I'd prefer some corroboration.

 

[Foxholer]

I can't find anything independent about News-watch. For who they are click on "About News-watch" on their own page. Also, the next header along on their page is all their reports dating back to 1999.

Reading some of the reports gives the impression of bias by the BBC, backed by numbers of interviewees supporting Remain 'v' numbers of interviewees supporting Leave. On the face of it, having now read through several reports, it doesn't paint a pretty picture but, ideally, I'd prefer some corroboration.

Having done a bit of research on NewsWatch, I figure it's simply an anti-BBC group run by (ex?)media folk who have found a niche to exploit for themselves. Perhaps 'BBCWatch' would be a more appropriate name!

I'm inclined to believe that the Beeb is actually 'following the story' rather than being biased! When 'the story' is about the difficulties of negotiating with the EU (or the uncertainties of the entire Brexit process), for example, it's reasonable to 'focus on' (as opposed to being biased about) those difficulties.

If you really want to 'eliminate bias', I'd suggest reading both The Telegraph' (or maybe 'The Times' as Telegraph seems to have moved significantly further to 'the Right' over the years) and 'The Guardian' and absorb the same story from those papers' slants! I actually to use that method to make up my mind, as opposed to simply being told what to think, as happens in some papers.

All that said, it's definitely worthwhile to have some monitoring of the Beeb. Gradual/creeping manipulation of views is an 'evil' to be condemned wherever found! In that regard, the likes of the Daily Mail's overt approach could even be described as 'honest'! Now that's a scary thought!!

 

[Mudball]

Yippee... Stayed off the forum for over 24 hours. Came back to see that things have not moved much... Still the boys in the blue corner v the boys in the red corner.
World still existing nearly 48 hours after Apocalypse/Independence day..

.. Still the best meme out there

 

[Hacker Khan]

I was going to make a humorous April Fool type post with something that is mostly ridiculous but there is a very small bit that is vaguely believable, detailing some silly initiative or mental speech that someone associated with the Brexit process has made. But then I thought what's the point as it would be impossible to differentiate it from what is actually happening.

 

[Pants]

A bit like your usual posts then

 

[Mudball]

I was going to make a humorous April Fool type post with something that is mostly ridiculous but there is a very small bit that is vaguely believable, detailing some silly initiative or mental speech that someone associated with the Brexit process has made. But then I thought what's the point as it would be impossible to differentiate it from what is actually happening.

Here is an idea for an April fool joke.. ‘Chief Whip attacks Cabinet post Election strategy’.. something he has been whipping everyone to do for past 2 years..

 

[Foxholer]

A bit like your usual posts then

 

[spongebob59]

Not a great speech

https://twitter.com/x/status/1112641288162209792

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Not a great speech

Agree, it's not shocking though....just look at the Jon Snow C4 incident from last week, us leavers are still painted as thick racists.

 

[bluewolf]

Agree, it's not shocking though....just look at the Jon Snow C4 incident from last week, us leavers are still painted as thick racists.

No you're not.
But you are in danger of appearing to be represented by them.

 

[Hobbit]

Not a great speech

https://twitter.com/x/status/1112641288162209792

Not surprised. The more airtime he gets, the better. At least that way more people are aware of what a nasty piece of work he is.