Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[3offTheTee]

This is the MOST important comment on here today:

Thought SIL Hogie promised to return today.

Where is he as I am sure he has been watching from ‘down under’ and the post count would have increased by at least 2000!

 

[Mudball]

Watching Guru on C4 news .. he is more savage than BBC. He took apart MPs on both side of the divide about their hypocrisy and their lack of understanding of the situation

Saw an interview with an MP(did not catch his name but a brexiteer) .. his rationale for sticking together was (and I paraphrase) .. if there is a GE, the public will say the current MPs are not good and will choose far-left or far-right and that would not be good for the country...

so look after their own job but not their constituents..

 

[SocketRocket]

Balderdash!

Twaddle!!

 

[Tashyboy]

Just outa interest, and I don't know the answer to this, but how many First time MPs were elected to Parliment at the last election, as well as the ones a couple of years before that. My reason being,these new MPs talk about deals re trade etc etc. But are they really more educated than the voters who by majority voted leave. Yet these newbies decide they know better.

 

[Hobbit]

Just outa interest, and I don't know the answer to this, but how many First time MPs were elected to Parliment at the last election, as well as the ones a couple of years before that. My reason being,these new MPs talk about deals re trade etc etc. But are they really more educated than the voters who by majority voted leave. Yet these newbies decide they know better.

626 out of 650 are not first timers. 155 were previously in business. A significant number are career politicians, a number coming through via councils(82), trade unions(30) and party officials/political researchers(92). Labour also has a relatively high number from education compared to other parties, e.g. teachers and lecturers.

Not sure what you can draw from that, especially as most are whipped on a regular basis and vote along party lines.

 

[Imurg]

moost are whipped on a regular basis.

Not hard enough in my view although some of them will probably enjoy it.....

 

[Old Skier]

Balderdash!

We're did the 650+ come from. Do you have your own private MP.

 

[Tashyboy]

626 out of 650 are not first timers. 155 were previously in business. A significant number are career politicians, a number coming through via councils(82), trade unions(30) and party officials/political researchers(92). Labour also has a relatively high number from education compared to other parties, e.g. teachers and lecturers.

Not sure what you can draw from that, especially as most are whipped on a regular basis and vote along party lines.

Hobbit, your thoughts me man. The MPs that have come via councils. How close are the links between say a Labour/ Tory councillor and the same political parties views. It may seem odd. But I had a 24 yr old kid knocking on my door this week. He is standing as a Labour councillor. He has no chance as our councillor ( independant) is excellent. However when he told me he is Labour I told him he has no chance of my vote as Corbyn and Abbott are Buffoons. He said quote" The Labour Party and labour councillors are not the same, they are totally differant". I was gobsmacked. Are they?
Ironically he knocked on my door two days later, he was struggling to get 10 people to support him standing and asked me to sign his nomination form. I said it's not happening. However after a few seconds thought, I did. I told him that if Labour carry on as they are they will not Govern for 20 years and he has a chance to change that. But I thought his Labour political and council quote was odd. It was almost as odd as his Mum chaperoning him around the streets whilst canvassing.

 

[User62651]

Just outa interest, and I don't know the answer to this, but how many First time MPs were elected to Parliment at the last election, as well as the ones a couple of years before that. My reason being,these new MPs talk about deals re trade etc etc. But are they really more educated than the voters who by majority voted leave. Yet these newbies decide they know better.

The electorate chose them because they had the courage to stand too. MPs are easy targets, doing a tougher job than most give them credit for, in Commons frequently but also trying to do surgeries in their own constituencies all over UK too. Taking abuse verbally and written on a daily basis, one even murdered in the street. Then they have party whips ordering them to vote certain ways. Any of us could stand for election if we wanted to make an actual difference in politics, most couldn't do it though. Anyone on here in local government even?
Its an unprecedented political mess presently, I think Govt got it wrong, rather than MPs. May lost a parliamentary majority yet chose to still be bullish and stick her head in the sand and ignore the views of roughly half the country, in a hung parliament. Was never going to pan out well. She was still at it today after another defeat, almost delusional.

 

[Mudball]

Not a surprise and no longer relevant some may argue.. but from the Electoral Commission announcement..

Does this mean that the referendum was officially based on a pack of lies or deceit? Good day to get bad news out today.. no one is looking

 

[Tashyboy]

The electorate chose them because they had the courage to stand too. MPs are easy targets, doing a tougher job than most give them credit for, in Commons frequently but also trying to do surgeries in their own constituencies all over UK too. Taking abuse verbally and written on a daily basis, one even murdered in the street. Then they have party whips ordering them to vote certain ways. Any of us could stand for election if we wanted to make an actual difference in politics, most couldn't do it though. Anyone on here in local government even?
Its an unprecedented political mess presently, I think Govt got it wrong, rather than MPs. May lost a parliamentary majority yet chose to still be bullish and stick her head in the sand and ignore the views of roughly half the country, in a hung parliament. Was never going to pan out well. She was still at it today after another defeat, almost delusional.

I don't know if I am grasping at straws or what, but I am trying to make sense out of this pigs ear of a mess, and looking at all trains of thought.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Tashy your councillor was right to a large extent. The general philosophy will be the same but local councillors work far more on local issues and don't really touch big national issues. It's not unusual for councillors to distance themselves from national leaders or controversial policies.

Last local elections I voted for a councillor from a party I've never voted for before as he was more in tune with my views locally than the other candidates. I don't remember seeing the name of the party leader in any of their literature.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Not a surprise and no longer relevant some may argue.. but from the Electoral Commission announcement..View attachment 26963

Does this mean that the referendum was officially based on a pack of lies or deceit? Good day to get bad news out today.. no one is looking

Unlike the Government's lies which I seem to remember were circulated via the leaflet prior to the election, thus avoiding having to put the excessive costs onto the election accounts?

 

[Hobbit]

Hobbit, your thoughts me man. The MPs that have come via councils. How close are the links between say a Labour/ Tory councillor and the same political parties views. It may seem odd. But I had a 24 yr old kid knocking on my door this week. He is standing as a Labour councillor. He has no chance as our councillor ( independant) is excellent. However when he told me he is Labour I told him he has no chance of my vote as Corbyn and Abbott are Buffoons. He said quote" The Labour Party and labour councillors are not the same, they are totally differant". I was gobsmacked. Are they?
Ironically he knocked on my door two days later, he was struggling to get 10 people to support him standing and asked me to sign his nomination form. I said it's not happening. However after a few seconds thought, I did. I told him that if Labour carry on as they are they will not Govern for 20 years and he has a chance to change that. But I thought his Labour political and council quote was odd. It was almost as odd as his Mum chaperoning him around the streets whilst canvassing.

To be honest Tashy, I don't know. I suppose you could say that if someone has decided to stand as an MP they have an affinity for that party. You'd hardly likely get someone standing for something they don't agree with. But that doesn't mean they agree with the party leadership... I guess its a how long is a piece of string thing.

As to age, if they good enough they're old enough.

 

[Tashyboy]

Tashy your councillor was right to a large extent. The general philosophy will be the same but local councillors work far more on local issues and don't really touch big national issues. It's not unusual for councillors to distance themselves from national leaders or controversial policies.

Last local elections I voted for a councillor from a party I've never voted for before as he was more in tune with my views locally than the other candidates. I don't remember seeing the name of the party leader in any of their literature.

To be honest LT me heads spinning a bit with it because 82 have come from councils to become MPs which out of 650 Mps is quite a few. I did tell this kid that he is going for the wrong seat. Our independant councillor is nailed on, however, the other seat in our village is an independant and he is moving on as he knows he is out.

 

[Kellfire]

Got my local council voting card in today. Yay voting.

 

[Hobbit]

To be honest LT me heads spinning a bit with it because 82 have come from councils to become MPs which out of 650 Mps is quite a few. I did tell this kid that he is going for the wrong seat. Our independant councillor is nailed on, however, the other seat in our village is an independant and he is moving on as he knows he is out.

It could be argued that you should get him voted in. It'll give him the experience he needs for when the current shower start retiring.

 

[Tashyboy]

It could be argued that you should get him voted in. It'll give him the experience he needs for when the current shower start retiring.

Which was my train if thought when i signed his nomination form. If nothing changes. Then nothing changes. ☹️

 

[Lord Tyrion]

To be honest LT me heads spinning a bit with it because 82 have come from councils to become MPs which out of 650 Mps is quite a few. I did tell this kid that he is going for the wrong seat. Our independant councillor is nailed on, however, the other seat in our village is an independant and he is moving on as he knows he is out.

I'm never quite sure if it's good or not to have come through the council system. Good because it gives them a taste of how public service works, bad because they have little experience of real world jobs. They can be a bit institutionalised and on the whole I don't think it is that effective.

I'm a big fan of independent councillors and MPs. They aren't tied to party lines, can vote on each issue with a clear mind. You are lucky to have one.

 

[spongebob59]

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