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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Spot on Adam. If Parliament cannot come to an agreement, then the only democratic option is to leave which was the will of the people.

I was staggered this week to hear that self-interested idiot Tusk saying we had to respect the "million" who marched or the "5.7 million" who signed that petition. Only because they were on his side. The 17.4 million who weren't therefore must be ignored.

It is this kind of selfish attitude which has wound so many people up about the EU and led to the leave vote winning in the first place. Good riddance to the lot of them.
 
Foxholer said:
To quote you....Balderdash! Here's what you posted...

Trade is both buying and selling, not just 'how much we buy..'!
Whether the result of that 'trade' is a deficit or surplus is irrelevant to the value of the 'trade'!

Oh and here's the 'initial exchange'...


Note that the expression was 'trade', not 'how much we buy'!


Seems apt!
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I was referring to our export trade and you know that. You are playing your stupid pedantic games again. How can the 'Value of the trade' be greater than the rest of the world when one is a credit and the other a defecit
 
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ger147 said:
TM deal voted down again, 344 to 286.
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Gap's closing, by MV 7 she might just get there.;) I think 3 goes was all she had though.

JRM went with govt but 30 of his ERG gang didn't, wonder if he'll remain their poster boy as his surrender didn't affect the result.

May's bluff worked, PM for the forseeable? General Election coming. OH Joyo_O
 
adam6177 said:
The EU council absolutely MUST kick us out with no deal, our elected are unable to do the job they are trusted to do. It MUST be taken out of their hands as they are unable to fulfill the result of the referendum.

Imo.
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Whilst I am very much in the Leave camp, and with no deal if need be, the unfortunate situation is that the EU very much want us to stay - the EU Commission for our money; some of the smaller member states for being 'the voice of reason' and 'influence' in trying to ensure fairness in all the decision making.

But given the absolute shambles our MPs have presided over, our 'influence' in Brussels IF we eventually stay in will basically be all gone.

Not one MS will view us with any credibility going forward; and the Commission will just ignore all our views and opinions in their march for even greater control. Basically we'll just be an ATM!

So let's just leave, get on with forging our own way as a global, outward looking nation.
 
Guess that means I've lost my bet that Tmays deal would get through by today. I think I underestimated the sheer incompetence of TMays government yet again. Oh well, I think I bet with 2 of you a crisp tenner to go to your charity of choice. I've forgot who (Was IamM one of them?) and it is probably 327 posts ago, I'll try and find it but if I did bet with you let me know and what charity you want the tenner to go to.
 
PieMan said:
Whilst I am very much in the Leave camp, and with no deal if need be, the unfortunate situation is that the EU very much want us to stay - the EU Commission for our money; some of the smaller member states for being 'the voice of reason' and 'influence' in trying to ensure fairness in all the decision making.

But given the absolute shambles our MPs have presided over, our 'influence' in Brussels IF we eventually stay in will basically be all gone.

Not one MS will view us with any credibility going forward; and the Commission will just ignore all our views and opinions in their march for even greater control. Basically we'll just be an ATM!

So let's just leave, get on with forging our own way as a global, outward looking nation.
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Will you just stop ............. being sensible 👍
 
PieMan said:
Whilst I am very much in the Leave camp, and with no deal if need be, the unfortunate situation is that the EU very much want us to stay - the EU Commission for our money; some of the smaller member states for being 'the voice of reason' and 'influence' in trying to ensure fairness in all the decision making.

But given the absolute shambles our MPs have presided over, our 'influence' in Brussels IF we eventually stay in will basically be all gone.

Not one MS will view us with any credibility going forward; and the Commission will just ignore all our views and opinions in their march for even greater control. Basically we'll just be an ATM!

So let's just leave, get on with forging our own way as a global, outward looking nation.
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Well at least the elected members have achieved parity whichever way we voted; we have lost all credibility regardless of whether we leave or remain.
 
SocketRocket said:
I was referring to our export trade and you know that. You are playing your stupid pedantic games again. How can the 'Value of the trade' be greater than the rest of the world when one is a credit and the other a defecit
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Balderdash! Utter Twaddle! It's you who is 'playing stupid pedantic games trying to wheedle your way out of a factual blunder'!

You simply cannot admit you've been caught getting your facts wrong can you! You weren't using that Deficit vs Surplus argument earlier, even when supplying the link!

And to answer your question - that you should (and I suspect do) know the answer to anyway.... Value of Trade is 'Value of Exports + Value of Imports'! The Credit/Debit 'values' that you seem to be posting about is the 'Balance of Trade Value'!

I'm not interested in any further comms on this sub-topic though!
 
Mudball said:
can i change it? Because as Boris and JRM showed today that they are allowed to change it.. both vote for a suicide vest and a vassel state. I am pretty sure my mind was to not be either of that. Was yours?
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I made my mind up based on what I want my country to be, I've not changed my mind on the only way I can see it being achieved. You may be surprised that I have no problem with others having a different view or changing their minds. All I expect of people is they are honest with their intentions. I am sick to the back teeth of the weasel words and outright lies so many use to disguise their real intentions. I'm also tired of having to defend my beliefs, it seems the way it goes is Remainers trawl the Internet for any morsel to try and discredit leavers or leaving, The Leaver then has to respond with reasons to justify their decision, it then becomes s mud slinging fight that no one wins. And before anyone jumps in I am as bad as anyone in returning insults. How on earth did a country like this become so broken.
 
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