Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Foxholer]

Part of her promise was to call it by end of March 17 and without Gina Miller she’d of proceeded with it.

Article 50 was triggered on 29/3/17. Gina Miller's action simply confirmed whether the PM could simply do it (No) orm whether it required approval by Parliament (Yes).

 

[robinthehood]

No
I am talking about how much we sell to other countries, not how much we buy off them. We run a trade deficit with the EU but have a surplus with the test of the world.
The discussion I was having was in respect to someone saying we sold more to the EU than anywhere else.

Like I said , half truths and lies.

 

[Foxholer]

No
I am talking about how much we sell to other countries, not how much we buy off them. We run a trade deficit with the EU but have a surplus with the test of the world.

To quote you....Balderdash! Here's what you posted...

You are correct. My point however was solely where most of our current trade is carried out.

Trade is both buying and selling, not just 'how much we buy..'!
Whether the result of that 'trade' is a deficit or surplus is irrelevant to the value of the 'trade'!

Oh and here's the 'initial exchange'...

“Some” and “could” but most won’t. I’m not claiming there’ll be a negative financial outcome for the populous in everything but there will be overall. By virtue of doing most of our trading with the EU, leaving them was always going to worsen our trade deals.

We don't do most of our trading with the EU.

Note that the expression was 'trade', not 'how much we buy'!

Like I said , half truths and lies.

Seems apt!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Article 50 was triggered on 29/3/17. Gina Miller's action simply confirmed whether the PM could simply do it (No) orm whether it required approval by Parliament (Yes).

You’ve lost me! TM, prior to any challenge in the court, when she became PM had stated on numerous occassions it was her intention to trigger Art 50 by end of March 2017.

 

[SatchFan]

 

[Foxholer]

You’ve lost me! TM, prior to any challenge in the court, when she became PM had stated on numerous occassions it was her intention to trigger Art 50 by end of March 2017.

It was your reference to Gina Miller that I was replying to - in your post below..

Part of her promise was to call it by end of March 17 and without Gina Miller she’d of proceeded with it.

A50 was invoked before end of March 17 - even with the 'delay' caused by Gina Miller's action!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It was your reference to Gina Miller that I was replying to - in your post below..

A50 was invoked before end of March 17 - even with the 'delay' caused by Gina Miller's action!

I know! I was responding to Colchester who brought Gina Miller into it!

 

[jp5]

"Dominic Raab is voting for the deal he negotiated then resigned in order to oppose"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1111610746121699329

 

[ColchesterFC]

I know! I was responding to Colchester who brought Gina Miller into it!

Don't blame me. I was only joking.

 

[drdel]

We do appear to blame TM, MPs and anyone else this side of the channel. We might want to recognise that Juncker, Tusk and Barnier have not helped by constantly blatant Twitter mutterings which have been vastly slanted summaries of the actual negotiations.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Don't blame me. I was only joking.

Yes mate I know, problem occurs when 2 understand and a third tries to help.

 

[harpo_72]

We do appear to blame TM, MPs and anyone else this side of the channel. We might want to recognise that Juncker, Tusk and Barnier have not helped by constantly blatant Twitter mutterings which have been vastly slanted summaries of the actual negotiations.

True, but we the UK have behaved like a bunch of muppets and have presented ourselves as muppets ... well the majority have anyway 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We do appear to blame TM, MPs and anyone else this side of the channel. We might want to recognise that Juncker, Tusk and Barnier have not helped by constantly blatant Twitter mutterings which have been vastly slanted summaries of the actual negotiations.

I despise them even more, they’ve played us like a fiddle, Spongebob’s link was an excellent read imo.
But they’ve looked after their interests and we’ve failed!

 

[jp5]

We do appear to blame TM, MPs and anyone else this side of the channel. We might want to recognise that Juncker, Tusk and Barnier have not helped by constantly blatant Twitter mutterings which have been vastly slanted summaries of the actual negotiations.

The EU have been consistent throughout. It's not their job to deliver the promises made by Farage, Johnson et al.

 

[GB72]

It is quite glaring now that those who were at the forefront of brexit have now tucked themselves away again for the time being. Johnson has been, in the main part, particularly quiet. Basically try and get through this whilst saying as little as possible so as not to harm his shot at the top job when May resigns. Totally self serving. Even Farage has been relatively quiet, maybe holding back for a glorious post brexit return to UK politics once his euro gig is over.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I despise them even more, they’ve played us like a fiddle, Spongebob’s link was an excellent read imo.
But they’ve looked after their interests and we’ve failed!

If the deal can not get through then I would suggest they have also failed. They needed to give a little more and if they had it would have got through. Fine to be tough and nasty, win the negotiations but they didn't bank on parliament seeing the deal for what it is. Less posturing, less punishing, more thinking about what is best for all and we could have passed this initial stage by now. Big failure from the UK team, not a success by the EU one either.

 

[GB72]

If the deal can not get through then I would suggest they have also failed. They needed to give a little more and if they had it would have got through. Fine to be tough and nasty, win the negotiations but they didn't bank on parliament seeing the deal for what it is. Less posturing, less punishing, more thinking about what is best for all and we could have passed this initial stage by now. Big failure from the UK team, not a success by the EU one either.

Trouble is, their hands are slightly tied as well. Enough posturing in other EU nations about leaving that means that our leaving smoothly with a decent deal could trigger similar actions in other countries. Not sure the EU could afford another of the more affluent countries leaving, there has been talk that, even now, Germany may struggle to pay the bills withou the UK contribution

 

[Blue in Munich]

Trouble is, their hands are slightly tied as well. Enough posturing in other EU nations about leaving that means that our leaving smoothly with a decent deal could trigger similar actions in other countries. Not sure the EU could afford another of the more affluent countries leaving, there has been talk that, even now, Germany may struggle to pay the bills withou the UK contribution

Surely all the more reason to try and seek a deal to keep us rather than screw us over or try and drive us out then?

 

[Mudball]

Been on calls with my continental team ... we are indeed a laughing stock... As one of them mentioned.. 'You guys need to make your mind up'

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If the deal can not get through then I would suggest they have also failed. They needed to give a little more and if they had it would have got through. Fine to be tough and nasty, win the negotiations but they didn't bank on parliament seeing the deal for what it is. Less posturing, less punishing, more thinking about what is best for all and we could have passed this initial stage by now. Big failure from the UK team, not a success by the EU one either.

It’s not over yet, both sides can then be judged, one minor point, they managed to get 27 different Countries to agree the deal.