Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

Does anything in this process make any sense anymore?

Having just wasted an hour watching the motion about sitting tomorrow I not sure the 650 who work there have a clue what they are there for. Labour have already said they will vore against the motion even before the debate. They could have just voted this afternoon and all gone home tomorrow.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Does that link not prove him right? That shows that most trade is done with countries outside of the EU. 44% of exports and 53% of imports from the EU, so 56% of exports and 47% of imports to and from outside the EU. And with a trade surplus of £41 billion with countries outside the EU surely increasing trade in that area where we make money is a good thing and reducing our reliance on the EU where we have a massive deficit.

It’s hard to define because it depends what you define as our biggest trade partner

They equate to 44% for example and say everyone else is 20,20 10 and 6 % to keep it simple then they would trump anyone

However you could equally say that we do more buisness outside the Eu as a whole

It depends what your actually asking to start with

 

[SocketRocket]

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851

You need to understand the question before making a reply. The point was not who is the UKs biggest trading block but whether we do most of our trading with the EU.

 

[ColchesterFC]

It’s hard to define because it depends what you define as our biggest trade partner

They equate to 44% for example and say everyone else is 20,20 10 and 6 % to keep it simple then they would trump anyone

However you could equally say that we do more buisness outside the Eu as a whole

It depends what your actually asking to start with

I'm fairly sure that the original post referred to us doing "most of our trade" with the EU and that's where the disagreement began. I totally agree with you with regards to the EU being our largest trading partner.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You need to understand the question before making a reply. The point was not who is the UKs biggest trading block but whether we do most of our trading with the EU.

You are assuming I was against you.. I mearly posted a link so you could read it and people would see either way..

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I'm fairly sure that the original post referred to us doing "most of our trade" with the EU and that's where the disagreement began. I totally agree with you with regards to the EU being our largest trading partner.

Most disagreements on this forum (myself included) are just pedants nit picking over the finer details of a post

 

[Hobbit]

Does that link not prove him right? That shows that most trade is done with countries outside of the EU. 44% of exports and 53% of imports from the EU, so 56% of exports and 47% of imports to and from outside the EU. And with a trade surplus of £41 billion with countries outside the EU surely increasing trade in that area where we make money is a good thing and reducing our reliance on the EU where we have a massive deficit.

But if you assume an average tariff rate of 5%, its 10% for cars, that is potentially a hefty increase on someone's annual bills. Sourcing foodstuffs from outside the EU is pretty much achievable, and potentially cheaper, wow all of 2.8%, as tariffs could be removed from non-EU goods but if you have an EU manufactured car your service costs will rise by at least 10%.

 

[SocketRocket]

It’s hard to define because it depends what you define as our biggest trade partner

They equate to 44% for example and say everyone else is 20,20 10 and 6 % to keep it simple then they would trump anyone

However you could equally say that we do more buisness outside the Eu as a whole

It depends what your actually asking to start with

Then maybe you should read the point made by Kellfire (who now admits he was wrong) and my reply before going off half cocked on an irrelevant issue.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Then maybe you should read the point made by Kellfire (who now admits he was wrong) and my reply before going off half cocked on an irrelevant issue.

Oh do put a sock in it socket 😂

 

[SocketRocket]

But if you assume an average tariff rate of 5%, its 10% for cars, that is potentially a hefty increase on someone's annual bills. Sourcing foodstuffs from outside the EU is pretty much achievable, and potentially cheaper, wow all of 2.8%, as tariffs could be removed from non-EU goods but if you have an EU manufactured car your service costs will rise by at least 10%.

You are correct. My point however was solely where most of our current trade is carried out.

 

[SocketRocket]

Oh do put a sock in it socket 😂

I will take that as admitting you were wrong. If you cant bring yourself to admit it i will understand why 🙄

 

[Hobbit]

You are correct. My point however was solely where most of our current trade is carried out.

What is interesting, if you like that sort of thing, is how much UK trade has shifted from the EU to the rest of the world. You'd almost think businesses have been lazy right up until their back was against the wall.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I will take that as admitting you were wrong. If you cant bring yourself to admit it i will understand why 🙄

Jesus man. I never said I was right!! I just posted the link so you could check it out and see if it settled the argument with someone else

You really are up your own arse

 

[SocketRocket]

What is interesting, if you like that sort of thing, is how much UK trade has shifted from the EU to the rest of the world. You'd almost think businesses have been lazy right up until their back was against the wall.

It may be related to the growing markets outside the EU and the oppertunities they create. Britain has traditionally been good at opening up new markets.

 

[Hobbit]

Jesus man. I never said I was right!! I just posted the link so you could check it out and see if it settled the argument with someone else

You really are up your own arse

Breathe in, hold... and relax 2,3,4.

If what I've heard in the Parliamentary broadcast this afternoon is anything to go by, the forum is well blessed with intelligent, sensible people.

 

[SocketRocket]

Jesus man. I never said I was right!! I just posted the link so you could check it out and see if it settled the argument with someone else

You really are up your own arse

We had already settled that.
So rather than admit you were wrong you start name calling. Bit juvenile.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Breathe in, hold... and relax 2,3,4.

If what I've heard in the Parliamentary broadcast this afternoon is anything to go by, the forum is well blessed with intelligent, sensible people.

If you heard it in the parliamentary broadcast it’s prob bullocks tho

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So rather than admit you were wrong you start name calling. Bit juvenile.

Re read my post from the article

My only post on this thread since lunch

So I haven’t said you were wrong and I was right at all

So do shut up you complete tool 👌

 

[Hacker Khan]

Really good Brexitcast last night, great insight. And the filmed this one so you can see them in the flesh. Including Katya. Oh my, oh Katya...

 

[SocketRocket]

Re read my post from the article

My only post on this thread since lunch

So I haven’t said you were wrong and I was right at all

So do shut up you complete tool 👌

I rest my case.