Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Kellfire]

Wasting public money from around the EU whilst people live on streets and use food banks. Surely this cannot be right. For God's sake why can people not see this!!!!!

Definitely. We should leave ASAP causing the prices of goods and services to go up. As the rich get richer and the middle and working classes get poorer, we will surely see a reduction in the homeless and use of food banks...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Nicola in fine form this morning on PM May.

She threatens her members by saying if they don't do as she wants she will stay.
The only PM to fall on their sword and miss.

 

[GB72]

Thing is, how effective yesterday was will only be found out on Monday. With so many options on the table, you would be hard pressed for one or two to get a majority. Now you pick the top 2 or 3 and see if more can get behind them, hell Ken Clarkes option only needs a swing of 4 votes and the one for a vote on no deal and if that is lost, we retract our application to leave only needs a swing of 20 or so. Interesting that the biggest defeat of the options was the one for no deal.

I suspect that if no deal approaches then a general election will be called, which was one ground that the EU said would warrant a further extension.

Whether you agree or disagree, Parliamnent is not going to let a no deal through in its current format. An election could change that one way or the other.

 

[Crazyface]

Definitely. We should leave ASAP causing the prices of goods and services to go up. As the rich get richer and the middle and working classes get poorer, we will surely see a reduction in the homeless and use of food banks...

Ok. Please tell me why this would happen using actual facts.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Wasting public money from around the EU whilst people live on streets and use food banks. Surely this cannot be right. For God's sake why can people not see this!!!!!

We have had more than enough control of our domestic policies for many years to tackle homelessness if it was a priority for the government. Just having more money is not going to make it go away if you have a government whose polices directly contribute to the rise in homelessness. For God's sake why can people not see this!!!!

 

[Crazyface]

And to cap all this off, guess what my local MP voted for?

HE didn't.

David Rutley (Macclesfield, Conservative)

Voting record on the following Brexit proposals:

• Did not vote No-deal: Leaving the EU on 12 April without a deal (John Baron's proposal - 160 for, 400 against)
• Did not vote Common Market 2.0: Remaining in the European single market and seeking a temporary customs union with the EU (Nick Boles' proposal - 188 for, 283 against)
• Did not vote EFTA and EEA: Remaining in the European single market but not forming a customs union with the EU (George Eustice's proposal - 65 for, 377 against)
• Did not vote Customs union: Seeking a UK-wide customs union with the EU (Ken Clarke's proposal - 264 for, 272 against)
• Did not vote Labour's alternative plan: Negotiating changes to the withdrawal agreement so that it includes protections to workers' rights, a permanent customs union, and close alignment to the single market (Jeremy Corbyn's proposal - 237 for, 307 against)
• Did not vote Revoke Article 50: Cancelling Brexit if the UK gets within days of leaving the EU without a deal (Joanna Cherry's proposal - 184 for, 293 against)
• Did not vote Second referendum: Holding another public vote to confirm any withdrawal agreement agreed by Parliament (Margaret Beckett's proposal - 268 for, 295 against)
• Did not vote Standstill arrangement: Seeking a tariff-free trade agreement with the EU that will last for two years, during which time Britain will contribute to the EU budget (Marcus Fysh's proposal - 139 for, 422 against)

 

[Crazyface]

What a bluddy disgrace!

 

[Kellfire]

Ok. Please tell me why this would happen using actual facts.

Tell me how our goods or services could possibly become cheaper and more plentiful with poorer access to resources than we have now.

I’ll save you the time - it can’t.

Do you think providers of goods and services will absorb the costs? (By the way - even if they did they would suffer and that would be a negative impact for them, so still a negative financial impact)

 

[Deleted member 18121]

My local MP didn't vote at all.... Not a single vote.

 

[GB72]

Tell me how our goods or services could possibly become cheaper and more plentiful with poorer access to resources than we have now.

I’ll save you the time - it can’t.

Do you think providers of goods and services will absorb the costs? (By the way - even if they did they would suffer and that would be a negative impact for them, so still a negative financial impact)

Some could if they are currently subject to tarrifs that we are obligated to impose through the EU which are subsequently lifted but how likely any retailer is to pass on any savings is the issue.

 

[Kellfire]

My MP voted pretty much the way I’d want him to have voted. Good lad.

 

[spongebob59]

My local MP didn't vote at all.... Not a single vote.

RG ?

 

[Foxholer]

No it won't....

• Option 2: If it does not approve the deal, the EU will offer a shorter extension until April 12.
• If it rejects the deal and takes the shorter extension, it can then decide whether to seek a much longer delay and vote in the European elections or leave on April 12 without a deal.

See the EU have said we can have a longer extension until we see the light / give it all up and just paying money to them and give up all our rights to do what we want. It there in balck and white (between the lines).

Agreed - sort of! But my point was that the default position is that - without further extension, agreement, change of heart etc. - No Deal WILL happen after April 12.

 

[Kellfire]

Some could if they are currently subject to tarrifs that we are obligated to impose through the EU which are subsequently lifted but how likely any retailer is to pass on any savings is the issue.

“Some” and “could” but most won’t. I’m not claiming there’ll be a negative financial outcome for the populous in everything but there will be overall. By virtue of doing most of our trading with the EU, leaving them was always going to worsen our trade deals.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My MP voted to make himself unelectable after the next election. [fool]
He only got in this time due to the Tory/SLab pact.

 

[GB72]

“Some” and “could” but most won’t. I’m not claiming there’ll be a negative financial outcome for the populous in everything but there will be overall. By virtue of doing most of our trading with the EU, leaving them was always going to worsen our trade deals.

I agree with you but thought I would chuck in the counter argument.

You could also argue that some european companies may set up in the uk to avoid any tariffs imposed. Again, very much a hypothetical argument.

I voted remain but am trying to see both sides without any hard line, equivocal statements.

 

[GB72]

My MP is Nick Boles so we all know where he stands. I like what he is doing but a large majority of h8s constituents are pretty fuming now

 

[SocketRocket]

“Some” and “could” but most won’t. I’m not claiming there’ll be a negative financial outcome for the populous in everything but there will be overall. By virtue of doing most of our trading with the EU, leaving them was always going to worsen our trade deals.

We don't do most of our trading with the EU.

 

[Crazyface]

We have had more than enough control of our domestic policies for many years to tackle homelessness if it was a priority for the government. Just having more money is not going to make it go away if you have a government whose polices directly contribute to the rise in homelessness. For God's sake why can people not see this!!!!

Very good! Don't know how to reply to that. You seem to have won, but, it does highlight another problem. Government. Maybe we should form our own army (Long Live The Queen) and have a civil war and remove the sitting Parliamnent and put Liz in charge. I'll bet she'd love that.

 

[Crazyface]

Tell me how our goods or services could possibly become cheaper and more plentiful with poorer access to resources than we have now.

I’ll save you the time - it can’t.

Do you think providers of goods and services will absorb the costs? (By the way - even if they did they would suffer and that would be a negative impact for them, so still a negative financial impact)

Well maybe a quick call to Uncle Donald over there, and he'll send us a boat load of wine and oranges and fruit and veg and wheat and metal and coal and, well whatever we want. South Africa produce a lot as well. Without the EU tariffs applied it will all be cheap as chips!