Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

I watched from 4pm with to the jaw dropping incompetence of the idiots in charge. all of whom I'll wager are educated people with a degree in something or other, but as usual, not one jot of common sense. What we will get, eventually, is a "peoples vote" becasue they can't agree and the vote will be, as has already been suggest by at least three MP's last night.

1. Do you want to leave with this incredibly stupid deal which means the UK will be shafted for ever and ever by the EU.

2. Remain (which actually wasn't an option when we had a vote in the HOC but we've tweeked it to read REMAIN instead of a vote to decide which stupid leave deal is the best, so that we can stay in).

And that is what is going to happen.

PS The EU said that we can ONLY have an extension if we agreed to a deal. We have not agreed to a deal so, if they are to be believed, will kick us out tomorrow. Will that happen? Will it footballs.

No it won’t because they agreed to change the law

We now leave April 12th without a deal if we don’t agree a deal if we do it’s May 22nd

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/mps-enshrine-brexit-delay-in-uk-law/amp/

 

[Crazyface]

Should act on the two closest votes... confirmatory public vote and customs union.
So exit but with customs union is what we would vote on but not sure what the other would be labours alternative plan?

If you had been able to listen to the debate, a Customs Union would leave us in no mans land with the EU dictating how that would work and we'd get shafted.
In fact ALL options that had us tied to the EU were BAD, which is why the MP's voted all options as no.

Why are they going to vote again on any of the options as they voted NO to all of them. So that's is. You don't then vote for the best one that was voted no. look at TM's deal and how the votes wen't with that. People just harden their opinion.

We must leave with no deal and just bluddy cope. Which is what the English are bluddy good at , whilst moaning about it

 

[Crazyface]

No it won’t because they agreed to change the law

We now leave April 12th without a deal if we don’t agree a deal if we do it’s May 22nd

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/mps-enshrine-brexit-delay-in-uk-law/amp/

Ahhh, saw that put forward at about 5pm, did it get passed without a vote? Also, it's the EU that said if no deal by 29th March then NO extension. So makes our super new law mute???

 

[Old Skier]

Should act on the two closest votes... confirmatory public vote and customs union.
So exit but with customs union is what we would vote on but not sure what the other would be labours alternative plan?

The new form of democracy, lose the vote, and get it passed. Now that is funny.

 

[Crazyface]

The new form of democracy, lose the vote, and get it passed. Now that is funny.

Anna The Witch jumped up to propose this. She's evil and the most undemocratic person in the HOC.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Ahhh, saw that put forward at about 5pm, did it get passed without a vote? Also, it's the EU that said if no deal by 29th March then NO extension. So makes our super new law mute???

No it was always 12th April after that meeting because there isn’t time for us to get our ducks in a row since we mucked about for 2 years

 

[Slime]

There are too many MPs wanting too many different outcomes, therefore no scenario can/will enjoy a majority and we just can't/won't move forward.
They are truly shafting their constituents and betraying the electorate.
They even have a gun pointing at TM's head ..................... she's in a totally no win situation and was from the start.
They, (all of the MPs), have made us a global laughing stock and there seems no end to it. The EU must be pissing itsself with laughter.
Maybe it's time to stand up, give the EU the finger, show some backbone and walk away?
Maybe it's time for the EU to negotiate with us, rather than the other way round?
Something really has to change.

 

[User62651]

The new form of democracy, lose the vote, and get it passed. Now that is funny.

If May can't get her deal back and approved what's the alternative with Brexit? Arlene Foster seems immovable on the terms of the May draft WA too.

Keep going on as we are? General Election? Or go for the least unpopular of the options in Commons?

Before you say 'leave now with No Deal', that came in a lowly 6th of 8 backed options and second most opposed (400 against) yesterday so clearly doesn't have the legs to progress. Seems Boris and JRM have reluctantly accepted that, even with alterior motives perhaps.


Something has to give.

BUT Seems like May's deal is back as the only item on the Brexit agenda again. I expect just somehow that will be fudged through in the end.

 

[Crazyface]

No it was always 12th April after that meeting because there isn’t time for us to get our ducks in a row since we mucked about for 2 years

It wasn't. It was March 29th, TOMORROW. We had to go back to the EU to ask for an extension to that coz our MP's are crup. The EU said ok but only to April 12th IF we agreed to a deal (May's deal as it's the only one on the table). We didn't, last night, so the EU SHOULD say ok then you're out. But they won't, as we all know.

 

[Crazyface]

If May can't get her deal back and approved what's the alternative with Brexit? Arlene Foster seems immovable on the terms of the May draft WA too.

Keep going on as we are? General Election? Or go for the least unpopular of the options in Commons?

Before you say 'leave now with No Deal', that came in a lowly 6th of 8 backed options and second most opposed (400 against) yesterday so clearly doesn't have the legs to progress. Seems Boris and JRM have reluctantly accepted that, even with alterior motives perhaps.


Something has to give.

BUT Seems like May's deal is back as the only item on the Brexit agenda again. I expect just somehow that will be fudged through in the end.

Possible. due to the spineless Tories, who talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Liars. Mogg, Boris, and Gove and Leadsom. Two faced liars !

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why oh why is everyone still blaming all MP’s for this mess!
The only person a finger needs pointing at is TM, she put the rules down 2 years ago, fast forward to late last year when the rest of Parliament and the Country got to see what she’d achieved, what was it? A bad deal, a deal supported by very few of her own Party, we’ve had resignations, threats, votes of no confidence, sugar deals for support and still we are no further forward.

Maybe MP’s should be given one last vote, 2 choices, TM’s deal or No deal.

That’s it, we leave one way or another and any for any future issues we know were the blame lies.

There were 8 options last night, at least you could argue some politicians were trying to move forward, sad fact is, none of them had full backing.

She had 2 years, they’ve had 3 months, enough is enough.

 

[Crazyface]

I hope your getting my tone. This is what it's like on the leave side. And it's most who feel this way. Christ even my calm, caring see's both sides, everytime, wife SHOUTING AT THE TV! And that , for me say's EVERYTHING!!!!

 

[Crazyface]

Why oh why is everyone still blaming all MP’s for this mess!
The only person a finger needs pointing at is TM, she put the rules down 2 years ago, fast forward to late last year when the rest of Parliament and the Country got to see what she’d achieved, what was it? A bad deal, a deal supported by very few of her own Party, we’ve had resignations, threats, votes of no confidence, sugar deals for support and still we are no further forward.

Maybe MP’s should be given one last vote, 2 choices, TM’s deal or No deal.

That’s it, we leave one way or another and any for any future issues we know were the blame lies.

There were 8 options last night, at least you could argue some politicians were trying to move forward, sad fact is, none of them had full backing.

She had 2 years, they’ve had 3 months, enough is enough.

YUP !

 

[Old Skier]

It wasn't. It was March 29th, TOMORROW. We had to go back to the EU to ask for an extension to that coz our MP's are crup. The EU said ok but only to April 12th IF we agreed to a deal (May's deal as it's the only one on the table). We didn't, last night, so the EU SHOULD say ok then you're out. But they won't, as we all know.

Keep up - the 12th was the date if no solution could be found.

 

[Old Skier]

If May can't get her deal back and approved what's the alternative with Brexit? Arlene Foster seems immovable on the terms of the May draft WA too.

Keep going on as we are? General Election? Or go for the least unpopular of the options in Commons?

Before you say 'leave now with No Deal', that came in a lowly 6th of 8 backed options and second most opposed (400 against) yesterday so clearly doesn't have the legs to progress. Seems Boris and JRM have reluctantly accepted that, even with alterior motives perhaps.


Something has to give.

BUT Seems like May's deal is back as the only item on the Brexit agenda again. I expect just somehow that will be fudged through in the end.

There is no answer which is exactly what the majority of Parliament wants. Stuck with staying and a very interesting time the next time the population are asked to vote on anything.

 

[Crazyface]

Keep up - the 12th was the date if no solution could be found.

But that's what I said...isn't it?

 

[spongebob59]

Why oh why is everyone still blaming all MP’s for this mess!
The only person a finger needs pointing at is TM, she put the rules down 2 years ago, fast forward to late last year when the rest of Parliament and the Country got to see what she’d achieved, what was it? A bad deal, a deal supported by very few of her own Party, we’ve had resignations, threats, votes of no confidence, sugar deals for support and still we are no further forward.

Maybe MP’s should be given one last vote, 2 choices, TM’s deal or No deal.

That’s it, we leave one way or another and any for any future issues we know were the blame lies.

There were 8 options last night, at least you could argue some politicians were trying to move forward, sad fact is, none of them had full backing.

She had 2 years, they’ve had 3 months, enough is enough.

Nice idea but who makes that call ?
If its down to toady bercow, no chance.

 

[Crazyface]

The offer:

• Option 1: If the UK parliament votes for the withdrawal agreement next week, it can delay exiting until May 22 to ratify the text.
• Option 2: If it does not approve the deal, the EU will offer a shorter extension until April 12.
• If it rejects the deal and takes the shorter extension, it can then decide whether to seek a much longer delay and vote in the European elections or leave on April 12 without a deal.

The wording is "deal" NOT solution. The TM "deal" as the EU have offered nothing else.

 

[Old Skier]

But that's what I said...isn't it?

Not sure, trying to keep a track of some of your posts is like trying to catch a box of frogs.

 

[Crazyface]

The offer:

• Option 1: If the UK parliament votes for the withdrawal agreement next week, it can delay exiting until May 22 to ratify the text.
• Option 2: If it does not approve the deal, the EU will offer a shorter extension until April 12.
• If it rejects the deal and takes the shorter extension, it can then decide whether to seek a much longer delay and vote in the European elections or leave on April 12 without a deal.

The wording is "deal" NOT solution. The TM "deal" as the EU have offered nothing else.

oH carp, I've just read this again. If the HOC rejects a deal it can ask for a longer deal.

SEE they are offering every which way to stay in. It's coming boys and girls get ready for the longer extension, then a referendum and we'll be in.