Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[bluewolf]

Donald Tusk has demonstrated the EU's unique way with democracy and arithmetic.

He suggests we recognise the 5million signatures and the 1 million marching to Remain but by inference, ignore the 17million voters for Leaving.

Obviously he went to the D Abbott, School for Political Maths.

No wonder the EU budget is out of control and Bloomberg reports accuse the EU Finance Minsters and the ECB of having no idea.

That's genuinely not how I interpreted his comments.

 

[SocketRocket]

Christ on a bike, the process itself is taking long enough, by the time an independent inquiry has finished we'll all be old and senile and have forgotten about it anyway.

Forgot What!

 

[Hacker Khan]

Everyone’s making moves now. JRM is now backing the deal, Corbyn is coming off the fence to say he’ll whip his lot to back a second referendum potentially losing the shadow cabinet in the process. All very exciting.

Which I suspect will mean that there is no majority in parliament for anything. Which will take us nearer to a no deal/revoking/softer brexit/GE/ (delete as appropriate)

 

[Hacker Khan]

Donald Tusk has demonstrated the EU's unique way with democracy and arithmetic.

He suggests we recognise the 5million signatures and the 1 million marching to Remain but by inference, ignore the 17million voters for Leaving.

Obviously he went to the D Abbott, School for Political Maths.

No wonder the EU budget is out of control and Bloomberg reports accuse the EU Finance Minsters and the ECB of having no idea.

That's utter garbage.


















Everyone knows there were only 400,000 marching.

 

[SocketRocket]

Sod it.. There's simply too much fun to be had on this thread...

I just can't help but think that Rees-Mogg is getting absolutely desperate to avoid even a short extension to Art 50.. So desperate in fact that he's happy to become a "Vassal State" just to avoid it.. I genuinely wonder just what it is that is frightening him that much.. Just what could possibly be happening next week?

We don't need any thought through Remain comments thank you, please go back into hiding 😉

 

[SocketRocket]

Which I suspect will mean that there is no majority in parliament for anything. Which will take us nearer to a no deal/revoking/softer brexit/GE/ (delete as appropriate)

I think another pay rise will win the day.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Plebs know your place

 

[User62651]

So when the MPs have 8 Brexit 'options' in front of them (none of which are binding), at 7pm do they get to pick just one option or more than one in order of preference?

Can't see May paying this much heed at all while her deal isn't quite dead.

Wrt JRM does seem that perhaps personal political ambition is sneaking ahead of Brexit principles, nothing unusual there, he is a politician.
Is his aim to get Boris into No.10 with him holding a top ministerial position? Must've got some major concession out of May wrt her leaving soon for his backing her deal, though he did caveat it with 'only if DUP also back the deal'. Not sure enough other ERG will follow suit though.

When do we know if the Speaker will even allow a 3rd MV?

 

[ColchesterFC]

So when the MPs have 8 Brexit 'options' in front of them (none of which are binding), at 7pm do they get to pick just one option or more than one in order of preference?

It's a simple yes/no to each of the options. MPs will indicate which of the 8 they are prepared to support and which they aren't. They can support as many of the 8 as they like and equally can reject as many as they like. Think it then goes forward to further votes (possibly on Monday) with the least supported options being removed and hopefully leading to a single outcome that has the backing of parliament.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I can't see the DUP changing their minds.
In fairness to them, like the SNP, they have been pretty consistent throughout this Tory omnishambles.
May will not get her vote through without their support.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I can't see the DUP changing their minds.
In fairness to them, like the SNP, they have been pretty consistent throughout this Tory omnishambles.
May will not get her vote through without their support.

And the LibDems. Those three parties seem to be the only ones that have chosen a position and stuck to it.

 

[bluewolf]

So when the MPs have 8 Brexit 'options' in front of them (none of which are binding), at 7pm do they get to pick just one option or more than one in order of preference?

Can't see May paying this much heed at all while her deal isn't quite dead.

Wrt JRM does seem that perhaps personal political ambition is sneaking ahead of Brexit principles, nothing unusual there, he is a politician.
Is his aim to get Boris into No.10 with him holding a top ministerial position? Must've got some major concession out of May wrt her leaving soon for his backing her deal, though he did caveat it with 'only if DUP also back the deal'. Not sure enough other ERG will follow suit though.

When do we know if the Speaker will even allow a 3rd MV?

I have a suspicion the JRM is doing everything he can to avoid an extension past Friday. Agree the May Deal this week with the caveat that we leave on Friday night. (Not sure if this is still possible, just thinking on my feet). I've no doubt that whatever Deal eventually gets signed, the ERG will try to break it once we're out.

 

[Foxholer]

How many public consultations does the UK government conduct?

After 'the EU Referendum', I think that number will shrink!

 

[SocketRocket]

When do we know if the Speaker will even allow a 3rd MV?

He's sorted that one.

 

[drdel]

So the idea is to find out how MPs are thinking. Tories get to be individuals but the Labour MPs must toe the party line!


Indicative votes - I think not: playing party politics - I think so. This is what's got us into this debacle!

 

[drdel]

It might be interesting if somebody could put the 8 options up for a vote on the forum?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So the idea is to find out how MPs are thinking. Tories get to be individuals but the Labour MPs must toe the party line!

Because, of course, the Tory party have toed the party line up to now.

Looks like May is leaving sooner than later.

 

[SocketRocket]

So the idea is to find out how MPs are thinking. Tories get to be individuals but the Labour MPs must toe the party line!


Indicative votes - I think not: playing party politics - I think so. This is what's got us into this debacle!

How on earth can these indicative votes find a way that represents MPs preference if they are whipped to vote in a certain way. Its just extending the party politics rather than finding a meaningful outcome.

 

[spongebob59]

Torys given a free vote with cabinet abstaining.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I have a suspicion the JRM is doing everything he can to avoid an extension past Friday. Agree the May Deal this week with the caveat that we leave on Friday night. (Not sure if this is still possible, just thinking on my feet). I've no doubt that whatever Deal eventually gets signed, the ERG will try to break it once we're out.

Pretty sure we can't leave on Friday night if a deal is agreed as there is not enough tie in Parliament to do what is needed. Possibly.