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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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I think it's the MP's that have caused this mess. Theresa May has worked tirelessly to find a solution and been let down continuously by all the MP's that are more concerned with their own interests than those of the country.

I know it may not be the right time but I think the UK needs a GE. The last few months, and especially the last few weeks and today feels too much like a coup from the floor.

Forget the issue at hand, its anarchy not to have a working executive.
 
I know it may not be the right time but I think the UK needs a GE. The last few months, and especially the last few weeks and today feels too much like a coup from the floor.

Forget the issue at hand, its anarchy not to have a working executive.

Trouble is last time we had one it muddied the waters no end. And if we still do first past the post I can't really see much changing. Apart from maybe more protest voting and Tommy Robinson MP, god help us.
 
Trouble is last time we had one it muddied the waters no end. And if we still do first past the post I can't really see much changing. Apart from maybe more protest voting and Tommy Robinson MP, god help us.

After this debacle there will be a massive protest vote, whichever way things go. As to first past the post; that's what it is. Wishing for something else is a waste of time unless or until it becomes a popular choice. Equally, the current climate of tail wagging the dog is unhealthy. Forget the Brexit issue, is it really wise to have the shop floor ruling the management? The management may well be inept but the answer isn't anarchy, its change the management.
 
We have a hung parliament now, imagine this being the norm.
Would people have been so keen on this if it would have given seats to a raft of UKIP MPs.

I've said before that UKIP deserved more MPs in the last election. Part of the brexit vote was down to people feeling disenfranchised by politics, so give them some representation. It's then up to the more mainstream parties to provide a good option to prevent the extreme parties gaining traction.
 
You are rather biased in your condemnation, why didnt you highlight his post where it said it was a change to see people acting peacefully instead of showing hatred. You do this all the time, jump in with your saintimonious condemnations of people reacting to insulting posts against those that support leaving but its always a one way ticket with you as it is in line with your own preferences.

Why would I highlight that post ? It’s a post I agree with - the person was spot - it was good to see people acting peacefully towards each other instead of hatred ? You all leapt on that post as if it deeply insulted you all - maybe you should take a step back and look at the way you talk to people on here - especially people who vote a different way to you , your arrogance is astounding.
Once more you have jumped on one word phil, one word. If I had meant ALL Remainers I would of said all Remainers. But I never said All remainers. You did. I mean Remainers, the ones that whinge and whine, including those on here, the ones that cannot accept a democratic vote, the ones that cannot accept or even listen to the other side of the arguement. The Remainers that are easily offended. The remainers that think they have a chance of overturning a democratic vote, the whinging whining remainers that want to disregard the will of the people. Why because the incompetent politicians cannot carry out the will of the people.
But guess what Phil, not all remainers think that way, some can actually accept that when it came to a vote they accepted the result.

I didn’t “leap” on any word - you said “remainers” - that is a group of people who voted remain , if you meant just some remainers then you should have said “some” - to save yourself insulting whole groups be more specific - and ranting after it doesn’t save face

And people are entitled to say whatever they want about leaving or staying in the EU - that’s called free speech , they are entitled to have a protest , have a match , create a petition without people like you insulting them - it’s called their democratic right

At the end of the day the voting public can do nothing - from the minute the vote was complete it was down to the political parties to sort it out - yet people still keep trying to blame “remainers”

Can you tell me exactly what affect the voting public have had on the process ?
 
After this debacle there will be a massive protest vote, whichever way things go. As to first past the post; that's what it is. Wishing for something else is a waste of time unless or until it becomes a popular choice. Equally, the current climate of tail wagging the dog is unhealthy. Forget the Brexit issue, is it really wise to have the shop floor ruling the management? The management may well be inept but the answer isn't anarchy, its change the management.

Isn’t this the microcosm of the Brexit issue .. they put it to the shop floor aka The People who then voted in different ways based on how they or their neighbors felt on that day, some did not turn up and some chose emotion while others chose rationality. The Shopfloor voted leave and now management can’t deliver it ..
 
OK. Let's have a GE but only after Nigel is given a change to get his party properly up and running. I predict that it will gain enough votes to continue the utter chaos in Parliament.
 
Absolutely we should have an electoral system that better represents the people. AV was a start but was voted against by, I suspect, many people who now complain they are not properly represented in parliament.

A couple of dozen UKIP MPs in parliament would have exposed their bluster much better than the slow, drawn out direction the Brexit negotiations are taking us in.
 
Absolutely we should have an electoral system that better represents the people. AV was a start but was voted against by, I suspect, many people who now complain they are not properly represented in parliament.

A couple of dozen UKIP MPs in parliament would have exposed their bluster much better than the slow, drawn out direction the Brexit negotiations are taking us in.

The tories will always oppose such a system because it will stop them having their unbreakable strong holds keeping them in power

Only 1 million votes in the general election last time round but the amount of seats was uncatchable

I feel though the major party’s need to do more. The rise of other parties is only making it easier for the tories to stay in power .. labour need to appeal to the other voters of green and liberal
 
I think it's the MP's that have caused this mess. Theresa May has worked tirelessly to find a solution and been let down continuously by all the MP's that are more concerned with their own interests than those of the country.
Once May put down her 'red lines' it was obvious to me that there would never be a solution.
She has not budged and inch [strong and unstable] and totally ignored and insulted any constructive comments from NI, Scotland and the nice half of her party. OK for her to ignore Labour though as they have added nothing constructive to the process.
The choice has always been her deal or leave no deal.
From what we now understand, some Privy Councillors are horrified at how bad No Deal will be for the nation.
Time for the Queen to step in perhaps.
 
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