Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

Totally with SR on this one, what makes you think all Politicians are more intelligent than you or I or have a better understanding of current affairs?

I’m not saying they are smarter than anyone

What I’m saying is they have access to information that you and I don’t.

They know what membership of the EU really meals

We get fed how much it costs etc etc but they know what benefits we fully get. What deals we get that the public don’t know

They know for example how much information security services share and how many acts of terror have been stopped using it.. stuff we as the public don’t have access too.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I’m not saying they are smarter than anyone

What I’m saying is they have access to information that you and I don’t.

They know what membership of the EU really meals

We get fed how much it costs etc etc but they know what benefits we fully get. What deals we get that the public don’t know

They know for example how much information security services share and how many acts of terror have been stopped using it.. stuff we as the public don’t have access too.

Most of that information is available in the public domain and not all information is shared to all MP’s, especially on security, like someone put above they have staff that will decide on their behalf what they need to know and when.
What about those decisions MP’s don’t agree with and are then order to vote for it along Party lines.

 

[Jamesbrown]

I’m not saying they are smarter than anyone

What I’m saying is they have access to information that you and I don’t.

They know what membership of the EU really meals

We get fed how much it costs etc etc but they know what benefits we fully get. What deals we get that the public don’t know

They know for example how much information security services share and how many acts of terror have been stopped using it.. stuff we as the public don’t have access too.

Most of the stuff you listed I’m sure you could google it.... Acts of terror stopped are usually reported on. It’ll be tough to find that list of benefits though!

The only stuff they know compared to the man next door might be were they keep the aliens, and whose avoiding tax in one of the many uk tax havens.

 

[Old Skier]

MPs have great access to research material but so do we, the only difference I'd we have to do our own leg work and politicians have researchers paid for by us. It depends on how much work you want to do on a particular subject. I have had MPs from two different parties ask me for input on different subjects.

Very few politicians are that clever.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Most of that information is available in the public domain and not all information is shared to all MP’s, especially on security, like someone put above they have staff that will decide on their behalf what they need to know and when.
What about those decisions MP’s don’t agree with and are then order to vote for it along Party lines.

Should be a party line free vote on brexit

However you say they have staff that’s exactly what I’m saying. They have reports made for them to highlight the importance of the eu or not

If they put it to the MPs free vote revoke a50 or no deal that should be the end of it either way. They won’t set the country up to fail

 

[Imurg]

Because you don’t agree with it. Sorry but it should never have gone To a vote

None of us know enough to have a proper vote on the situation

No matter how much hot air you produce doesn’t make you right 👌

It should never have gone to a vote.
But as soon as it did, and we had an election that most Political parties confirmed in their manifestos that they would abide by the outcome, Parliament had a duty to get us the best deal they could.
Parliament hasn't
It's failing in its duty and going back on its promise.
Don't forget...they voted by a majority of 384 to trigger A50...
If most MP's are not in favour of leaving, and it seems most are not in favour, then why did they vote to trigger A50 in the first place?
If there is a vote next week to revoke A50 it will be a slap in the face and blowing a raspberry to everyone who voted to leave..
Don't ask a question if you're not prepared to listen to an answer you don't like.
If it gets revoked, Parliament will have lost the respect and faith of a seriously large number of people.

 

[robinthehood]

Does that mean if a senior lecturer at a university instructed you how to do brain surgery you could do it? Having the info and knowing what to do with it are two very different things.

? what nonsense are you on now

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It should never have gone to a vote.
But as soon as it did, and we had an election that most Political parties confirmed in their manifestos that they would abide by the outcome, Parliament had a duty to get us the best deal they could.
Parliament hasn't
It's failing in its duty and going back on its promise.
Don't forget...they voted by a majority of 384 to trigger A50...
If most MP's are not in favour of leaving, and it seems most are not in favour, then why did they vote to trigger A50 in the first place?
If there is a vote next week to revoke A50 it will be a slap in the face and blowing a raspberry to everyone who voted to leave..
Don't ask a question if you're not prepared to listen to an answer you don't like.
If it gets revoked, Parliament will have lost the respect and faith of a seriously large number of people.

The first mistake was putting a referendum out there

The next was actually making it law when it wasn’t legally binding at all

 

[Old Skier]

If they put it to the MPs free vote revoke a50 or no deal that should be the end of it either way. They won’t set the country up to fail

Most MPs backed themselves into a corner with public statements backing the result of the referendum. They will face all kinds of hassle on media sites when they start back peddling as Soubry is finding out.

As already posted, if they had been more truthful with the public they would have had more room to manoeuvre.

 

[Hobbit]

Should be a party line free vote on brexit

However you say they have staff that’s exactly what I’m saying. They have reports made for them to highlight the importance of the eu or not

If they put it to the MPs free vote revoke a50 or no deal that should be the end of it either way. They won’t set the country up to fail

So having said they should make the decision you're now saying setting the parameters as to how they should set up the vote. Make your mind up. Is it your way or their way.

 

[Hobbit]

? what nonsense are you on now

Nice to see you're still at your most obnoxious best. Isn't it past your bedtime yet Lego boy?

 

[Hobbit]

The first mistake was putting a referendum out there

The next was actually making it law when it wasn’t legally binding at all

So you know best even though you've been saying they should make the decision... unbelievable Jeff!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So having said they should make the decision you're now saying setting the parameters as to how they should set up the vote. Make your mind up. Is it your way or their way.

What other way is there hobbit? Her deal has been blocked and can’t be put through a 3rd time

So doesn’t that just leave us 2 options? Revoke a50 and no deal?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Should be a party line free vote on brexit

However you say they have staff that’s exactly what I’m saying. They have reports made for them to highlight the importance of the eu or not

If they put it to the MPs free vote revoke a50 or no deal that should be the end of it either way. They won’t set the country up to fail

So if they have staff it’s not them making the decision! What if a member of staff only gives them the information the staff member wants them to see?
Back to Brexit, TM in charge, TM’s Government has a majority and in theory, if she’d of done a deal that satisfied that majority then the rest of Parliament is immaterial, regardless of what other MP’s, you or me think is best for the Country.

 

[robinthehood]

Nice to see you're still at your most obnoxious best. Isn't it past your bedtime yet Lego boy?

tbf i usually ignore what you write as its obviously copy and pasted from somewhere else.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So if they have staff it’s not them making the decision! What if a member of staff only gives them the information the staff member wants them to see?
Back to Brexit, TM in charge, TM’s Government has a majority and in theory, if she’d of done a deal that satisfied that majority then the rest of Parliament is immaterial, regardless of what other MP’s, you or me think is best for the Country.

If she hadnt tried to be clever to call for an election with the majority she had brexit might have happened by now instead of going into bed with the DUP

 

[Old Skier]

What other way is there hobbit? Her deal has been blocked and can’t be put through a 3rd time

So doesn’t that just leave us 2 options? Revoke a50 and no deal?

It will go a third time even though it's doomed. There has been a fundamental change as the EU has added dates and consequences which will be added to the amendment.

 

[robinthehood]

If she hadnt tried to be clever to call for an election with the majority she had brexit might have happened by now instead of going into bed with the DUP

nah, she only had a pretty slim majority anyway, what as it 18 i think?

 

[Hobbit]

tbf i usually ignore what you write as its obviously copy and pasted from somewhere else.

Can you give me the lottery numbers too, seeing as you're psychic?

 

[Mudball]

This is very sweary but very good. And apologies if the title offends.

Nails it... Leave was a vote to 'send a message', people are disenfranchised due to a variety of reasons and our incompetent residents of WasteMinisters piled it onto foreigners and benefits et al.. Then Cameron and his gang made a right Eton Mess of the country..