Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[GB72]

The bold bit!

Under any circumstances no matter the wider issues. So if our leaving the EU resulted in all foreign investment leaving the uk or if general taxation had to triple to cover increased costs (extreme for the sake of simplicity not a project fear thing) then that would still the the leave you voted for

 

[drdel]

To those who are confused or wish to define what LEAVE entails - the EU's conditions of membership have some main elements.

Quite simply then any Members who is to LEAVE will not agree to continue to....
1. Pay contributions to the centre at a rate set by the centre as it so wishes. The centre's spending it at its own unilateral discretion.
2. Permit he European Court to have primacy over a member's legal system
3. There will be unrestricted movement of people.
4. Member nations will not trade individually outside the EU membership
5. Member countries must not subsidise national businesses and all procurement must be open to any member's business.
6. The centre may refuse a nations agreed budget.
7.....

I could go on. Obviously a vote to leave said we will not be bound by these demands/constraints. QED!!

 

[MegaSteve]

Really feel we are now at the point of shaking hands and wishing Brussels all the best on their future journey without us...

 

[Mudball]

To those who are confused or wish to define what LEAVE entails - the EU's conditions of membership have some main elements.

Quite simply then any Members who is to LEAVE will not agree to continue to....
1. Pay contributions to the centre at a rate set by the centre as it so wishes. The centre's spending it at its own unilateral discretion.
2. Permit he European Court to have primacy over a member's legal system
3. There will be unrestricted movement of people.
4. Member nations will not trade individually outside the EU membership
5. Member countries must not subsidise national businesses and all procurement must be open to any member's business.
6. The centre may refuse a nations agreed budget.
7.....

I could go on. Obviously a vote to leave said we will not be bound by these demands/constraints. QED!!

Brilliant.... But is that ALL Leavers wanted? .. if that is so, why are they still talking about Leaving but staying common markets. I see that NI border is not on the list.

 

[drdel]

Brilliant.... But is that ALL Leavers wanted? .. if that is so, why are they still talking about Leaving but staying common markets. I see that NI border is not on the list.

List ain't comprehensive (I got bored) . I guess the NI bit is buried in 4 and related to not trading outside (honest!)

 

[Foxholer]

Because the deal that is best, the EU want to charge us for. So if a company said to you we will charge you to do business with us. as well as charge you for our goods, would you say ok and shell out the money or look for a better deal?

1. Those 'charges' were actually agreed, or at least, committed to by UK.
2. When will folk stop trying to equate politics/diplomacy with business?! They are completely different beasts!

 

[Foxholer]

Under any circumstances no matter the wider issues. So if our leaving the EU resulted in all foreign investment leaving the uk or if general taxation had to triple to cover increased costs (extreme for the sake of simplicity not a project fear thing) then that would still the the leave you voted for

1. Yes, but hardly an acceptable 'deal'!
2. I voted Remain!

 

[GB72]

1. Yes, but hardly an acceptable 'deal'!
2. I voted Remain!

Thing is the argument being put forward is the vote was not deal dependent but rather was just about leaving. Just trying to ascertain whether there was a vote to leave or a vote to leave if the deal was right.

Apologies, bored at work and must admit to playing devils advocate a bit.

 

[Foxholer]

Brilliant.... But is that ALL Leavers wanted? .. if that is so, why are they still talking about Leaving but staying common markets...

Quite probably not. But on balance they decided, or were convinced, to vote Leave! Same as when you vote in a GE. You may not prefer ALL a party's policy, but on balance....
Same applies to those that voted Remain - certainly me! Might not have been keen on every policy of the EU, but on balance....

It's not the 'Common Market' (officially 'The Single Market' I believe) that's wanted, but a hybrid that doesn't include the Freedom of Movemetn pillart!

 

[Foxholer]

Thing is the argument being put forward is the vote was not deal dependent but rather was just about leaving. Just trying to ascertain whether there was a vote to leave or a vote to leave if the deal was right...

Go check what question was asked!

...
Apologies, bored at work and must admit to playing devils advocate a bit.

I'm bored replying! Kindly stop!

PS: Nothing actually wrong with 'playing Devil's Advocate' - up to a point! I remember that being one of 'my traits' determined in a psychometric test many years ago! And it was deemed a positive trait for my role!

 

[Mudball]

The bold bit!

Nicely dodged the question.. almost Corbynisque ..

credit where it is dur, atleast Dr D tried

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108792626734661632

 

[Old Skier]

If you read what has come out, he was led to believe it was a 1-2-1 mtg on turning up he found the other leaders there! Now pause, Chukka is NOT a leader of a party, they themselves have stated they are not a party they are a group, he is no more than a disillushioned back bench MP,
TM moved the goalposts and got the reaction she probably wanted, ie, are we talking about her wasting all these leaders ( minus Chukka) time or are we talking about Corbyn?

Chukka wasn't there for the leaders meeting, he just happened to be in the room where they all met up prior to going to separate meetings. Corbyn threw his teddy in the corner by jumping to the wrong conclusion. Such a great diplomat.

 

[spongebob59]

Given @theresa_may’s refusal to shift her Brexit red lines, the EU27 are determined not to bend theirs, as per this from draft council conclusions - “any unilateral commitment, statement or other act should be compatible with the letter and spirit of the WA”. What it means is...
that @theresa_may is being ordered not to promise any concession to Northern Ireland’s DUP that impairs the impact in any meaningful way of the backstop loathed by DUP and Tory ERG MPs. EU leaders are not making it any easier for her to win that crucial meaningful vote. In...
the words of one well-placed source here in Brussels, they know her deal is already dead.

 

[Mudball]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108792626734661632

Wow .. just Wow..

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Chukka wasn't there for the leaders meeting, he just happened to be in the room where they all met up prior to going to separate meetings. Corbyn threw his teddy in the corner by jumping to the wrong conclusion. Such a great diplomat.

Is one version of events!

 

[spongebob59]

Wow .. just Wow..

A high stakes poker game now in play

 

[Fade and Die]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108792626734661632

C'mon T hold your nerve.... you nearly have us over the line!

 

[MegaSteve]

Finding it hugely hilarious that despite that it should only be Ms May holding our attention... Folk can't help but bring Jezza into the conversation...

 

[Deleted member 21784]

C'mon T hold your nerve.... you nearly have us over the line!

Then she can step aside for someone else to get us out of the poverty her decision would leave us in.