Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 1740]

I'm convinced the magic money tree will reappear and TM's current deal will get bribed err i mean voted through Parliament next week.

 

[Mudball]

I'm convinced the magic money tree will reappear and TM's current deal will get bribed err i mean voted through Parliament next week.

I have the same sinking feeling.. it’s all gone remarkably quiet .. plenty of horse trading in the back room

 

[Big Jim]

I'm new on here,s o forgive me if its been said before, but why don't we just tell the EU to get fked, keep the billions from the divorce bill. then undercut the EU on everything and offer tax incentives for all the companies who already trade here, but base HQ overseas and pay little or no tax anyway??

 

[Tashyboy]

I'm new on here,s o forgive me if its been said before, but why don't we just tell the EU to get fked, keep the billions from the divorce bill. then undercut the EU on everything and offer tax incentives for all the companies who already trade here, but base HQ overseas and pay little or no tax anyway??

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[SocketRocket]

I have the same sinking feeling.. it’s all gone remarkably quiet .. plenty of horse trading in the back room

Or, it could be the weekend.

 

[drdel]

What if 'what's best for US' is a deal that will bring more poverty, isolation and disruption to the UK.
That is what appears to be on the table.
In my opinion, 66% my countries opinion and at least 50% of the UK populations opinion, 'what's best for us is to cancel Brexit'.

So you have no faith in the UK's capabilities !!!

It would be realistic/mature if you'd recognise the Brexit vote was by the whole population of the UK. The latest polls are showing that because of the anti-UK rhetoric from Juncker, Tusk et al, attitudes have hardened and the margin for leaving has increased.

 

[User62651]

So you have no faith in the UK's capabilities !!!

It would be realistic/mature if you'd recognise the Brexit vote was by the whole population of the UK. The latest polls are showing that because of the anti-UK rhetoric from Juncker, Tusk et al, attitudes have hardened and the margin for leaving has increased.

Interested to see these polls.
Going by pitiful support for Farage's march yesterday, that claim of an increased margin for leave looks a dubious claim. The balance of 54 polls is graphed here showing a clear and increasing lead for remain -
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...he-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/

Also what anti-UK rhetoric, some frustration with UK is understandable, they'd rather we stayed in remember, also English is not their first language so shouldn't take to much from the odd tweet. They're just waiting for UK parliament to agree the WA and have been waiting for months now.

 

[drdel]

Interested to see these polls.
Going by pitiful support for Farage's march yesterday, that claim of an increased margin for leave looks a dubious claim. The balance of 54 polls is graphed here showing a clear and increasing lead for remain -
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...he-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/

Also what anti-UK rhetoric, some frustration with UK is understandable, they'd rather we stayed in remember, also English is not their first language so shouldn't take to much from the odd tweet. They're just waiting for UK parliament to agree the WA and have been waiting for months now.

It is not 54 polls its 1 poll done on several single days of about 1,000 people - their latest for Daily Mail on 15th March

 

[Hacker Khan]

I'm new on here,s o forgive me if its been said before, but why don't we just tell the EU to get fked, keep the billions from the divorce bill. then undercut the EU on everything and offer tax incentives for all the companies who already trade here, but base HQ overseas and pay little or no tax anyway??

I'm no Alan Sugar but because its probably not the best tactic to tell the biggest trading bloc in the world that handily also happens geographically to be very close, that we can not be trusted to pay our agreed obligations and to go forth and multiply. Plus a policy of undercutting on everything is possibly not the best to raise taxes.

 

[drdel]

I'm no Alan Sugar but because its probably not the best tactic to tell the biggest trading bloc in the world that handily also happens geographically to be very close, that we can not be trusted to pay our agreed obligations and to go forth and multiply. Plus a policy of undercutting on everything is possibly not the best to raise taxes.

True. However that was in the past: today and going forward the EU is a mature market saturated by over supply and growth has been artificially facilitated by the Juncker/ECB's huge QE which they admit is not sustainable. The emerging markets for the UK are more global but the EU's continued belief in the 'internal' market is fundamentally flawed as a future strategy, the EU is just too cumbersome a structure of member states with widely different economies. Ireland is already demanding further tranches of cash. like many members. With so few net contributors from who is the question: Germany is highly exposed because of its heavy reliance on manufacturing , with France and Italy also in a mess.

 

[Hacker Khan]

True. However that was in the past: today and going forward the EU is a mature market saturated by over supply and growth has been artificially facilitated by the Juncker/ECB's huge QE which they admit is not sustainable. The emerging markets for the UK are more global but the EU's continued belief in the 'internal' market is fundamentally flawed as a future strategy, the EU is just too cumbersome a structure of member states with widely different economies. Ireland is already demanding further tranches of cash. like many members. With so few net contributors from who is the question: Germany is highly exposed because of its heavy reliance on manufacturing , with France and Italy also in a mess.

You had me at true The rest of the post may or may not be a current summary of the current situation, but today lots of Uk companies still need to sell the EU stuff (told you I'm no Alan Sugar). And we still need to buy their BMWs as we are constantly told.

 

[Fade and Die]

I watched corbyn on sky with sophy ridge talking about Labours cunning plan regarding Brexit, Old catweazle was coming out with his usual nonsense about labours action plans.
It appears the 6 point plan has changed into a common market 2.0 ? Fed up with corbyns bollocks ridge asks the question JC hates the most

SR…. what’s Labours position leave the EU?
Jc … our position is to recognise the referendum result
SR…. what does that mean? Everybody knows the result!
Jc .. (wobbling) well there was a majority that voted leave but labour is unique. As we want to recognise both leave and remain! ( waffling about poverty social issues)
SR… ( now terse) do you want to leave the EU? You haven’t answered what I asked you!
Jc… well I know that’s not what you asked me , but, but ( more wobbling) we want a relationship with Eu
SR… ( eyes rolling) do you want to leave the EU?
Jc… (flat on his back) more waffle
Sr… I’m sorry I don’t want to keep asking it but I’m confused as are many who voted for you in the general election….

Absolutely priceless…..

 

[Mudball]

Or, it could be the weekend.

Or it is horse trading..

Phil Hammond on more money for DUP to buy votes ...

He (Hammond) did not rule out a financial settlement for Northern Ireland if the DUP backed the deal.

Mr Hammond said they did not have the numbers "yet" to secure Mrs May's deal, adding: "It is a work in progress"

Indeed.. we are all in this together..

 

[Hacker Khan]

Or it is horse trading..

Phil Hammond on more money for DUP to buy votes ...

He (Hammond) did not rule out a financial settlement for Northern Ireland if the DUP backed the deal.

Mr Hammond said they did not have the numbers "yet" to secure Mrs May's deal, adding: "It is a work in progress"

Indeed.. we are all in this together..

I think it's a fitting end (well I say end as in theory the withdrawal agreement is the very first part of the process) to the debacle in that the tax payer will end up having to bung a bunch of MPs with some very backwards views and who represent a minute proportion of the electorate, yet more vast sums of money to get the deal through that no one really wants and most economic projections say will make us worse off. Well done everybody

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Forgets to pay money made on renting his property but remembers to claim for a 49p pint of milk.
Cross reference that to a benefit sanction for a missed appointment due to an emergency hospital visit

https://twitter.com/x/status/1107190036510969858

 

[harpo_72]

So given all of this phaffing about would you vote for the Tories again?

 

[Hobbit]

So given all of this phaffing about would you vote for the Tories again?

No, not without a radical change to their make-up. Same applies to me voting Labour, and LibDems.

 

[Jamesbrown]

So given all of this phaffing about would you vote for the Tories again?

Who else is there to vote for!?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So given all of this phaffing about would you vote for the Tories again?

Genuine question, Did you see the Brexit vote as a vote along party lines? or are you judging the tory party as a government based on their handling of Brexit?

I didn’t and hoped others wouldn’t of made their decision on Brexit based on party politics, Brexit has been good for the government in that a lot of domestic issues are being over-looked or swept under the carpet.

 

[Hobbit]

Genuine question, Did you see the Brexit vote as a vote along party lines? or are you judging the tory party as a government based on their handling of Brexit?

I didn’t and hoped others wouldn’t of made their decision on Brexit based on party politics, Brexit has been good for the government in that a lot of domestic issues are being over-looked or swept under the carpet.

I didn't see the Brexit vote as a party issue, and perhaps evidenced by the number of voters from the 3 main parties who voted Leave. I'm disappointed that the 2 main parties have, in the main, resorted to the issue being used as a vehicle to further their own ambitions.

I don't feel many other issues have slipped under the radar because there hasn't been that many policies courtesy of the, almost, constant focus on Brexit.