Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Foxholer said:
As I stated, I don't 'see' it happening in this case! But that clearly demonstrates that legislation can get through the Commons in a single day - however dangerous and contrary to 'normal' procedure that might be!

I'm pretty certain that legislation isn't actually required anyway - simply debate and a vote on which option should be taken! Same as when May presented her ill-fated 'deal' in January. And likely to end up with the same result! The decision chart at the bottom of this article demonstrates....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47530505
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Even the BBC link you supplied said the case in question took weeks not a day and this was when everyone agreed with it.

They would be amending an existing law (The European Community Withdraw Act) not voting on a proposed international agreement like Mays terrible Withdraw Agreement. If her WA was somehow agreed it would then need to go through the due processes to be enshrined on UK Law which would take some time to enact. The date set in law for the UK to leave the EU would take us past the 29th of March as it would not be agreed by all sides and would also be subject to amendments in both houses.
 
Foxholer said:
Depends how the original law was worded! From memory, the one regarding the invocation of Article 50 was simply that.

Clauses within Article 50 cover everything needed - including the negotiation/agreement of a 'deal' and/or an extension to the negotiation period! So, given as I described, not necessary to change any Law!

No law was needed to declare war on Saddam's Iraq on 2003. Blair could have declared war using Royal Prerogative, but proposed a motion for Parliament to debate - though the result was 'non-bnding'! Such motions are normally started with 'This House ....' so gives Government the authority of Commons approval - as opposed to a Law that needs to gop through the formal process of Readings in Commons, then similar in Lords.
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Its not invoking article 50 its self that enshrines the leaving date in law, it's the European Union Withdraw Act that permits it. This went through all stages of Parliament and received Royal Ascent.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Even the BBC link you supplied said the case in question took weeks not a day and this was when everyone agreed with it.
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Twaddle!
Here's the relevant bit of that link! "...which completed its passage through the lower chamber in one day.". Which is exactly what I stated in post 6530!

SocketRocket said:
They would be amending an existing law (The European Community Withdraw Act) not voting on a proposed international agreement like Mays terrible Withdraw Agreement. If her WA was somehow agreed it would then need to go through the due processes to be enshrined on UK Law which would take some time to enact. The date set in law for the UK to leave the EU would take us past the 29th of March as it would not be agreed by all sides and would also be subject to amendments in both houses.
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Please state exactly what they would be amending in that law! As far as i know, that Act covers all the possible outcomes! In fact, it also covers the requirement for any deal to be ratified by Parliament. And while the proposed Exit Day IS specified, there's also provision for that date to be amended by (Minbisterial) Regulation!

The instant enshrinement of the Withdrawal Agreement into UK law was covered by a separate Act - The European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2017-19!

So pretty much ALL of your post was simply twaddle!
 
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Foxholer said:
Depends how the original law was worded! From memory, the one regarding the invocation of Article 50 was simply that.

Clauses within Article 50 cover everything needed - including the negotiation/agreement of a 'deal' and/or an extension to the negotiation period! So, given as I described, not necessary to change any Law!.
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You may or may not be right, all I can find on Wiki is

... This means that a change in UK law is also required to stop Brexit. So, to stop Brexit, Article 50 would need to be revoked, and, after that, the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 must be repealed.
 
SocketRocket said:
Its not invoking article 50 its self that enshrines the leaving date in law, it's the European Union Withdraw Act that permits it. This went through all stages of Parliament and received Royal Ascent.
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That law does specify March 29 2019 as Exit Date. But there's also a clause allowing a Minister to amend it by Regulation.

Article 50 Clause 3 also specifies a default time period (2 years) after notification for 'non-agreed' cessation of treaties unless agreed unanimously by European Council and the Member State.
 
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Foxholer said:
Twaddle!
Here's the relevant bit of that link! "...which completed its passage through the lower chamber in one day.". Which is exactly what I stated in post 6530!



Please state exactly what they would be amending in that law! As far as i know, that Act covers all the possible outcomes! In fact, it also covers the requirement for any deal to be ratified by Parliament. And while the proposed Exit Day IS specified, there's also provision for that date to be amended by (Minbisterial) Regulation!

The instant enshrinement of the Withdrawl Agreement into UK law was covered by a separate Act - The European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2017-19!

So pretty much ALL of your post was simply twaddle!
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Calling a post twaddle suggests you are unable to engage in debate without resorting to this form of immature behaviour, I would guess its something you reserve for the keyboard and wouldnt do face to face so I will not attempt to discuss anything with you on any subject in future. If you wish to make any further comment to my posts then I think you understand what the reaction will be. Unless you wish to apologise for your behaviour.
 
SocketRocket said:
Calling a post twaddle suggests you are unable to engage in debate without resorting to this form of immature behaviour, I would guess its something you reserve for the keyboard and wouldnt do face to face so I will not attempt to discuss anything with you on any subject in future. If you wish to make any further comment to my posts then I think you understand what the reaction will be. Unless you wish to apologise for your behaviour.
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He will be along in a moment exclaiming “more twaddle”. It’s his level.
 
SocketRocket said:
Calling a post twaddle suggests you are unable to engage in debate without resorting to this form of immature behaviour, I would guess its something you reserve for the keyboard and wouldnt do face to face so I will not attempt to discuss anything with you on any subject in future. If you wish to make any further comment to my posts then I think you understand what the reaction will be.
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Here's some of a definition of 'twaddle'....nonsense, rubbish, balderdash, gibberish, claptrap, blather, blether

That definition seems appropriate when almost (that's possibly being generous) of your post was 'as described'! You've been consistently wrong with virtually every previous statement in this 'conversation'!

And Yes, I'm happy that 'Twaddle!' is stated face to face (in either direction) when appropriate!
 
I see great drama is afoot. Mrs May jetting off to Strasbourg. Let’s hope they aren’t in Brussels this week. Press conference booked for 9pm.
Not like the EU to go down to the last moment. We would never have guessed that was going to happen.
 
Foxholer said:
Here's some of a definition of 'twaddle'....nonsense, rubbish, balderdash, gibberish, claptrap, blather, blether

That definition seems appropriate when almost (that's possibly being generous) of your post was 'as described'! You've been consistently wrong with virtually every previous statement in this 'conversation'!

And Yes, I'm happy that 'Twaddle!' is stated face to face (in either direction) when appropriate!
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If someone said I was talking twaddle in a face to face conversation then they would be met with a reply that would earn me a long ban on this site.

Your comment Is immature,unnecessary and overused.
Anyhow, not interested in your excuses.
 
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