Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[USER1999]

EU going to charge £1b a month if Tory party infighting causes a delay to Brexit.

And that is enshrined within art 50?

 

[IanM]

Tory delay? That's a hoot, it's only our PM following orders from Brussels!

 

[Mudball]

Isnt it about time you got a bit more grown up about this and stopped this silly mudsliging about Leavers v Remainers and just accepted others have a different opinion, it souds like a kid calling names in a playground.

Love it when it is Kettle and Pot time... I only replayed Project Fear being currently played out...

Either way, telly switched off today, hopefully when i switch it back on around Wed afternoon, all would have been sorted... i will then enjoy a bendy banana for tea

 

[Old Skier]

i will then enjoy a bendy banana for tea

No chance, according to remainers, we are all going to starve to death.

 

[SocketRocket]

Wrong! Legislation can get (and has got) through The Commons in a single day; likewise through The Lords. Definitely not what is meant to happen (for those 'valid reasons'), so only in emergency and likely needing agreement by Opposition leadership too!

I don't see it happening in this case.

Maybe you could read the parliamentary procedure on creating or changing a law, not an agreement but a law and then explain to me how this can happen in a day.

 

[Mudball]

Those who dont like the Beebs may not like this either. Interesting opinion from CNN on the Brexit cliff edge and fairly damning on May. Some may like it others may call it Fake News..

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/09/...-british-politics-opinion-intl-gbr/index.html

 

[Sweep]

Glad to see all the Leavers now indulging in 'Project Fear'.. .. 'Vote for the Deal or else Brexit will be lost forever', 'People will never vote for you again', 'Will of the people'..
'If you dont vote, Jeremy will be in power'., blah blah blah..

.. everyone knows that the MPs give two hoots to the country but are more focussed on keeping their jobs .. (atleast till the next GE).

Maybot could sink a few ships if she calls for a GE at some point this week. Catch everyone off guard and also EU will allow a longer extension as the UK situation has changed. In the meanwhile, country keeps motoring along like a yob on his way home after a few Special brew on a Friday night

She could also withdraw A50 unilaterally.. but nothing changes then either

I think you will find that true leavers don’t like the deal and won’t vote for it.

 

[Sweep]

Those who dont like the Beebs may not like this either. Interesting opinion from CNN on the Brexit cliff edge and fairly damning on May. Some may like it others may call it Fake News..

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/09/...-british-politics-opinion-intl-gbr/index.html

Remind me. Is CNN is an American news network? If so why would we care what they think?
And before you ask, no, I didn’t read the link because I don’t care what they think.
This is a matter for the British people and their government. I care about what Americans think of Brexit about as much as they care what I thought of Trump v Clinton.

 

[jp5]

I think you will find that true leavers don’t like the deal and won’t vote for it.

Would be a mistake for them. Reject Brexit now and they may condemn it forever.

 

[SocketRocket]

Those who dont like the Beebs may not like this either. Interesting opinion from CNN on the Brexit cliff edge and fairly damning on May. Some may like it others may call it Fake News..

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/09/...-british-politics-opinion-intl-gbr/index.html

Still in the playground then.

 

[robinthehood]

Those who dont like the Beebs may not like this either. Interesting opinion from CNN on the Brexit cliff edge and fairly damning on May. Some may like it others may call it Fake News..

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/09/...-british-politics-opinion-intl-gbr/index.html

People would rather stick their heads in the sand than face up to the mess we are in and admit they were wrong.

 

[USER1999]

People would rather stick their heads in the sand than face up to the mess we are in and admit they were wrong.

It is written by a remainer, in remainer sensationaliat style. I couldn't get that deep into the article, as it is the same old opinion, put in the same insulting way.

Move along, nothing new to see here.

 

[Hobbit]

Those who dont like the Beebs may not like this either. Interesting opinion from CNN on the Brexit cliff edge and fairly damning on May. Some may like it others may call it Fake News..

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/09/...-british-politics-opinion-intl-gbr/index.html

That’s interesting is it? It’s an appallingly poor piece of journalism. “Stop food and medicines...”

Seriously, are people still hanging their hat on this sort puerile rubbish? Haven’t we all learned enough to have a sensible discussion about the interdependencies of both sides that makes this sort of fantasy not even good bog paper?

 

[Foxholer]

Maybe you could read the parliamentary procedure on creating or changing a law, not an agreement but a law and then explain to me how this can happen in a day.

Or perhaps you could check out this for a precedent! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28305309

 

[Mudball]

Still in the playground then.

Not really.. it’s a mature thing to read more than one news source - sorry if they did not say what you wanted to hear

 

[Old Skier]

Or perhaps you could check out this for a precedent! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28305309

Like you said, it would need political unity. Any chance of that, no evidence so far.

 

[Foxholer]

Like you said, it would need political unity. Any chance of that, no evidence so far.

As I stated, I don't 'see' it happening in this case! But that clearly demonstrates that legislation can get through the Commons in a single day - however dangerous and contrary to 'normal' procedure that might be!

I'm pretty certain that legislation isn't actually required anyway - simply debate and a vote on which option should be taken! Same as when May presented her ill-fated 'deal' in January. And likely to end up with the same result! The decision chart at the bottom of this article demonstrates....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47530505

 

[jp5]

Angela Eagle: "The minister is asking us to accept that two and a half years after the referendum he is going to give us a few hours to have a look at the deal the PM may or may not conclude sometime overnight."

The state of it....!

 

[Old Skier]

As I stated, I don't 'see' it happening in this case! But that clearly demonstrates that legislation can get through the Commons in a single day - however dangerous and contrary to 'normal' procedure that might be!

I'm pretty certain that legislation isn't actually required anyway - simply debate and a vote on which option should be taken! Same as when May presented her ill-fated 'deal' in January. And likely to end up with the same result! The decision chart at the bottom of this article demonstrates....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47530505

Can't see we're the flow chart suggest legislation wouldn't be required to overturn previous legislation which is now law? Surely even an extension would require some kind of amendment?

 

[Foxholer]

Can't see we're the flow chart suggest legislation wouldn't be required to overturn previous legislation which is now law? Surely even an extension would require some kind of amendment?

Depends how the original law was worded! From memory, the one regarding the invocation of Article 50 was simply that.

Clauses within Article 50 cover everything needed - including the negotiation/agreement of a 'deal' and/or an extension to the negotiation period! So, given as I described, not necessary to change any Law!

No law was needed to declare war on Saddam's Iraq on 2003. Blair could have declared war using Royal Prerogative, but proposed a motion for Parliament to debate - though the result was 'non-bnding'! Such motions are normally started with 'This House ....' so gives Government the authority of Commons approval - as opposed to a Law that needs to gop through the formal process of Readings in Commons, then similar in Lords.