Foxholer
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Might still happen, though i'm not hopeful!
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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SocketRocket
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I don't believe they are doing that. The EU negotiators are protecting an ideology that isn't in the best interest of the member states. IMO of course.
SocketRocket
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Also the way our politicians have frustrated the hands of our negotiators by working to remove their only bargaining card in an attempt to force a remain endgame.I did, absolutely. It's up to all parties to control their negotiators but I don't know that either have done that well. TM has let her advisor have too much control, the 27 have let the bureaucrats run with it for too long. Add into that some ridiculous posturing from all sides and you have the mess we are left with. It's a shame it could not start again and we could let some grown ups do the talking.
drdel
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I agree but the issue is that many of the 27 are simply ignored. France and Germany have largely (IMO) played politics I suspect largely because of having to pick up the shortfall in Brussels with its expansionist strategy and for defence outside of NATO - if the UK departs.
drdel
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Apology accepted thank you.
Scotland has an economy that is very different to England and will be hit very hard by Brexit. Especially agriculture and fisheries.
Read up on the McCrone report for surprising information. With held for over 40 years by Westminster as they were so afraid of it's impact on the Scots.
Scotland relates more to Norway than England read up about the different way that Norway have handled their finances, as an independent country of 'a few millions', they seem to be doing very nicely.
Bear in mind Scotland who the last 300 years have had their finances and investment controlled by Westminster. Over the last 60 years Scots, pro rata, have paid a higher income into the UK pot than the other three regions.
Look at an independent Scotland compared to other small European Countries. You gave probably the worst example in Hungary, you could have said Denmark, Norway, Ireland instead.
Please do not judge Scotland from the pages of the Unionist controlled newspapers and BBC. look a bit deeper and surprise yourself.
Scotland has an economy that is very different to England and will be hit very hard by Brexit. Especially agriculture and fisheries.
Read up on the McCrone report for surprising information. With held for over 40 years by Westminster as they were so afraid of it's impact on the Scots.
Scotland relates more to Norway than England read up about the different way that Norway have handled their finances, as an independent country of 'a few millions', they seem to be doing very nicely.
Bear in mind Scotland who the last 300 years have had their finances and investment controlled by Westminster. Over the last 60 years Scots, pro rata, have paid a higher income into the UK pot than the other three regions.
Look at an independent Scotland compared to other small European Countries. You gave probably the worst example in Hungary, you could have said Denmark, Norway, Ireland instead.
Please do not judge Scotland from the pages of the Unionist controlled newspapers and BBC. look a bit deeper and surprise yourself.
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Land of milk and honey yet you seemed have spent most of your working life south of the boarder.
ColchesterFC
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So your evidence for how well Scotland could do as an independent country in the EU uses as an example a country (Norway) that isn't actually in the EU, two of (Norway and Denmark) the highest taxed and most expensive countries in Europe and a country (Ireland) that has received hundreds of millions in EU funding and has only recently become a net contributor. I assume that you'll be happy paying £10 for a pint of beer in an independent Scotland and having the EU tell you how to run your country.
drdel
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I am well aware of most of your history lessons (Scottish ancestors!): professionally I've assisted many Scottish organisations and Universities as well as English companies locating to Scotland.
I did not select 'Hungary' it was at that point in the population ranking. I do not share your view that Scotland would prosper independent of the UK because the full cost for Defence, Transport infrastructure, etc . etc would be prohibitive.
My questions did not originate from a media that you, unnecessarily label Unionist.
I asked a civil question: why did you need to go OTT with this last para? its exactly the reaction that seems to prevent a rational dialogue.
Hacker Khan
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Your, and your fellow leavers concerns for many of the members of the EU is touching. How about we stay and up our contributions as that would really help them from getting out from under the shadow of the French and Germans
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harpo_72
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I think that would be a great idea and we will build good strong friendships 🙂ðŸ‘Your, and your fellow leavers concerns for many of the members of the EU is touching. How about we stay and up our contributions as that would really help them from getting out from under the shadow of the French and Germans
drdel
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Your, and your fellow leavers concerns for many of the members of the EU is touching. How about we stay and up our contributions as that would really help them from getting out from under the shadow of the French and Germans
And be ignored just as in the past 30yrs; whilst Brussels screw us as well: a very wise strategy. The UK could also enjoy 1 in 5 unemployed.
harpo_72
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Sounds like project fear to me 🤣🤣🤣
SocketRocket
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A genuine question for you and if possible could you give a genuine answer. Do you believe that because someone wishes the UK to leave the EU they automatically have a dislike or animosity for the other countries in the EU?Your, and your fellow leavers concerns for many of the members of the EU is touching. How about we stay and up our contributions as that would really help them from getting out from under the shadow of the French and Germans
Foxholer
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SocketRocket
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Thaks but I was interested in HK's opinion.
Foxholer
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SocketRocket
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Fair enough but fwiw, I'm not interested in your opinion.
Hacker Khan
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Hate to break it to you but we are still in the EU and although you can question the validity of the stats, it seems we have decent employment figures whilst being in this evil empire.
It's as if being in the EU means you have to follow some rules around giving employees some decent workers rights but at the same time you have enough freedom to effect domestic economic policy meaning, on the surface of it, employment is not too bad.
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