Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[bladeplayer]

So those that lied on both sides are not or never to b answerable ?

The chaos is caused by the lies r can u not see that ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So those that lied on both sides are not or never to b answerable ?

The chaos is caused by the lies r can u not see that ?

Yes, but now is not the time to go over old ground, enact the vote, then hold the enquiry.

 

[SocketRocket]

Seems like a 5 pint (+) post to me!

5 pints, if only.

 

[SocketRocket]

Usual feeble insult I see. Ever going to reply with even a teeny bit of insight?

Not to your feeble soundbites.

 

[robinthehood]

Not to your feeble soundbites.

Come on , at least try and be a teensy bit original.

 

[SocketRocket]

Come on , at least try and be a teensy bit original.

Pot, kettle,black.

 

[Sweep]

So responsibility still with the tories then.

The responsibility is with the Tories because they are the government. However, Labour need to take responsibility for their own actions.
I was just pointing out (as you know) that the way you defended this Labour policy was incorrect. They are not only going to support a second referendum if the PM doesn’t sort out Brexit. They are threatening to support a second referendum if the PM does not do brexit their way.

 

[Sweep]

Yes, but now is not the time to go over old ground, enact the vote, then hold the enquiry.

Enact the vote or hold a second referendum?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Enact the vote or hold a second referendum?

Enact the vote! I do not want a 2nd Referendum.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The responsibility is with the Tories because they are the government. However, Labour need to take responsibility for their own actions.
I was just pointing out (as you know) that the way you defended this Labour policy was incorrect. They are not only going to support a second referendum if the PM doesn’t sort out Brexit. They are threatening to support a second referendum if the PM does not do brexit their way.

If all the tories and the DUP agree to support a deal on Brexit, Labour’s point of view is irrelevant, simple maths!

 

[Crazyface]

I don't understand all this back stop thing. The big problem is that Ireland (N+S) can't even get together to have their own parliament and the whole thing is screwing up the Brexit process. We should be off loading this problem to the Irish Parliament and let them come up with a solution. Hellfire the North voted to Remain didn't they? It could have been the catayst to unite the whole country!

 

[User62651]

I don't understand all this back stop thing. The big problem is that Ireland (N+S) can't even get together to have their own parliament and the whole thing is screwing up the Brexit process. We should be off loading this problem to the Irish Parliament and let them come up with a solution. Hellfire the North voted to Remain didn't they? It could have been the catayst to unite the whole country!

Not sure if this is a piss take or not but anyway -

They're British in Northern Ireland, not Irish, by majority they dont want a united Ireland, they want to stay British.
Seems you'd ditch these British people just to get out of EU?
We put British people into Northern Ireland as a colonisation tactic centuries ago.

Also it was the British that drew the border when Ireland(republic) won it's independence from Britain, we could have given it all up but didn't.

Has been a political hot potato for decades. 1000s of people have died, both British and Irish.

Brexit has nothing to do with the political situation over there.
Simply Northern Irish people preferred to be in the EU and perhaps they knew better what issues were likely to arise from a leave vote, wise folks over there.

 

[Scoobiesnax]

I don't understand all this back stop thing. The big problem is that Ireland (N+S) can't even get together to have their own parliament and the whole thing is screwing up the Brexit process. We should be off loading this problem to the Irish Parliament and let them come up with a solution. Hellfire the North voted to Remain didn't they? It could have been the catayst to unite the whole country!

SO we won't have the Republican scum causing trouble if we leave without a deal as it is against the GFA but we'll just have the Loyalist nutters causing mayhem because we sold the unionist/loyalists down the swanny

 

[Scoobiesnax]

Not sure if this is a piss take or not but anyway -

They're British in Northern Ireland, not Irish, by majority they dont want a united Ireland, they want to stay British.
Seems you'd ditch these British people just to get out of EU?
We put British people into Northern Ireland as a colonisation tactic centuries ago.

Also it was the British that drew the border when Ireland(republic) won it's independence from Britain, we could have given it all up but didn't.

Has been a political hot potato for decades. 1000s of people have died, both British and Irish.

Brexit has nothing to do with the political situation over there.
Simply Northern Irish people preferred to be in the EU and perhaps they knew better what issues were likely to arise from a leave vote, wise folks over there.

Not in the 20 years I was born & lived there as a boy/young man!

 

[Sweep]

If all the tories and the DUP agree to support a deal on Brexit, Labour’s point of view is irrelevant, simple maths!

Indeed. But that doesn’t excuse Labour’s threat to support a second referendum if the PM doesn’t adopt Labour’s plan. As you don’t want a second referendum I would have thought you would agree on that.
As I said, Labour has to take responsibility for it’s own actions.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Indeed. But that doesn’t excuse Labour’s threat to support a second referendum if the PM doesn’t adopt Labour’s plan. As you don’t want a second referendum I would have thought you would agree on that.
As I said, Labour has to take responsibility for it’s own actions.

TM has had 2 years, she lost a vote in Jan, if now she comes back with no changes are you saying we should accept a bad deal?
But still you wish to blame Labour!

 

[drdel]

Blaming May and personalising the issue is missing the ball in play.

Its worth remembering the UK has tried to refine the EU for decades and been blocked by the centralists (who simply want to have total budget control by Brussels) and those who have their hands in the cookie jar and simply want the UK's cash.

Cameron tried to object to Juncker a lifetime centralist ! and put a long standing issue/question to Parliament who voted the matter should be put to the public.

All parties agreed to support the result.

Not surprisingly Juncker has hardened his centralist vision and since he's on the way out has nowt to loose.

Both main parties in UK are split and May has the task of negotiating with EU that is only concerned with itself and selling a deal to a mainly two party Parliament whose members are split but not along party lines. Corbyn is just a chancer who doesn't care about anything (including Labour supporters) other than being the Labour Party leader and will agree with anything depending on his audience.

T'was always going to be a mess; if you read the predictions by ex-Finance minister for Greece (Varoufakis) he's spot on in his portrayal of the EU's negotiating stance and its duplicity. The Parliamentary 'mess' in the UK is merely aiding the EU's duplicity and their disregard for the well being of the citizens of the member states.

If the UK stays in the EU then in the next 10 years you can look forward to the UK being treated as a cash cow. See us adopting the Euro, ECB control of the BoE and our budget, significantly rising contributions, ECJ primacy, increasing unemployment, transfer of Oil rights, grants given to allow other states to uncut UK businesses (e.g. Ireland, Poland and the east bloc etc.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-47373996?__twitter_impression=true

So a game changer - allow the MP’s to vote to rule out a No Deal and also being able to delay leaving. Maybe some common sense at least and time for them to get this sorted.

 

[bladeplayer]

I don't understand all this back stop thing. The big problem is that Ireland (N+S) can't even get together to have their own parliament and the whole thing is screwing up the Brexit process. We should be off loading this problem to the Irish Parliament and let them come up with a solution. Hellfire the North voted to Remain didn't they? It could have been the catayst to unite the whole country!

Oh dear oh dear .. i genuinely do not know what to say to that except i do hope ur just on a wind up for d craic

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Blaming May and personalising the issue is missing the ball in play.

Its worth remembering the UK has tried to refine the EU for decades and been blocked by the centralists (who simply want to have total budget control by Brussels) and those who have their hands in the cookie jar and simply want the UK's cash.

Cameron tried to object to Juncker a lifetime centralist ! and put a long standing issue/question to Parliament who voted the matter should be put to the public.

All parties agreed to support the result.

Not surprisingly Juncker has hardened his centralist vision and since he's on the way out has nowt to loose.

Both main parties in UK are split and May has the task of negotiating with EU that is only concerned with itself and selling a deal to a mainly two party Parliament whose members are split but not along party lines. Corbyn is just a chancer who doesn't care about anything (including Labour supporters) other than being the Labour Party leader and will agree with anything depending on his audience.

T'was always going to be a mess; if you read the predictions by ex-Finance minister for Greece (Varafoukakis) he's spot on in his portrayal of the EU's negotiating stance and its duplicity. The Parliamentary 'mess' in the UK is merely aiding the EU's duplicity and their disregard for the well being of the citizens of the member states.

If the UK stays in the EU then in the next 10 years you can look forward to the UK being treated as a cash cow. See us adopting the Euro, ECB control of the BoE and our budget, significantly rising contributions, ECJ primacy, increasing unemployment, transfer of Oil rights, grants to allow other states to uncut UK businesses (e.g. Ireland, Poland and the east bloc etc.

You can see all this, and yet we’ve allowed ourselves to get into this mess.

Surely it’s TM who’s dropped the ball.