Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[MegaSteve]

Guessing Airbus will do the right thing should they depart these shores and pay back the millions they've received from UK taxpayers...

 

[Old Skier]

Does that stop what Airbus says from bring true then?

No, nor does the fact that Airbus received over €64 million from the EU so their might be a little bit of bias in their statement.

 

[IanM]

Does that stop what Airbus says from bring true then?

Do you know who Airbus' parent company are and how they were incorportated and funded?

 

[Old Skier]

Have you got a link for the Vice President statement


This would be horrific for the work force there who have over years suffered with ship building and other aircraft building companies going

https://amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-without-a-deal-its-chief-warns-37746770.html

It can’t be allowed to happen

Your right, but as the work force are in mainly leave areas, it's a great tactic if it comes to another referendum. As are the ones being adopted by LR and other motor manufacturers.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Guessing Airbus will do the right thing should they depart these shores and pay back the millions they've received from UK taxpayers...

...and will HMRC repay any taxes that Airbus have paid?

 

[drdel]

French subsidise Airbus, heavily.

 

[Sweep]

The bold bit is the important part for me

The word “potentially” is the important part for me.

 

[MegaSteve]

...and will HMRC repay any taxes that Airbus have paid?

Might ask the same of Brussels with regard our payments over the last 40+ years...

 

[oxymoron]

The EU seems to have played hardball from the start and the UK seemingly has done anything but. However, whilst playing hardball can get you in a good negotiating position, in the end it doesn’t often result in a good deal. Often it’s good to have a strong position to move back from. Something to compromise over.
A deal is only good if it works for both parties. Otherwise it will eventually fail.
The EU has form on taking negotiations to the 11th hour and beyond. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they do so this time. However, it appears that at least in some quarters of the EU they may be realising the time for hardball is over and it’s time to get sensible about a deal that works for all. I certainly hope so.
Of course, if we remove the possibility of no deal then we lose the one big thing we can compromise over. All will be lost and the EU will indeed tickle our belly for decades to come. It will result in a deal that will fail all of us at some point in the future.
Frankly it’s staggering to me that some supposedly intelligent people in Parliament actually think taking no deal off the table, especially at this critical time, is a remotely credible idea. It really does beggar belief. They wouldn’t buy a new kitchen like that but they think it’s okay when negotiating the nation’s future.

Can you stop talking sense , it doesnt go down well with some on here .

And the thing about Airbus and French subsidies ,,, well is that not against EU policies ? One rule for one springs to mind .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is it that much of a stretch of imagination to see that Airbus fears might have some grounding - and do they get subsidies from the EU - no doubt , they aren’t going to get any help from our government just like N Ireland haven’t had much help when their industry’s where ripped apart and they lost vital jobs - Airbus and their contracts are great for N Ireland , my uncles have benefitted from their work and it’s vital to them - but then I suspect the people pointing fingers at them prob don’t need to rely on them for jobs - maybe think of the people that do.

I see people ignored the queens statement- it’s a shame people can’t act a bit like her

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46996180

The continued emphasis on patience, friendship, a strong community focus, and considering the needs of others, are as important today as they were when the group was founded all those years ago.

"Of course, every generation faces fresh challenges and opportunities.

"As we look for new answers in the modern age, I for one prefer the tried and tested recipes, like speaking well of each other and respecting different points of view; coming together to seek out the common ground; and never losing sight of the bigger picture."

Maybe we should let her make the choice - will prob do it without thought of herself as opposed to MP’s

 

[IanM]

I spent 2 years working for "the parent company"...not allowed to comment specifically, but I am allowed to say that this thread contains errors and missed points... and for the record I learned...

1) How anti EU many of my French colleagues were
2) Level playing fields are not part of EU practice.

...and I was fairly EU agnostic before I worked there.

 

[Sweep]

...and will HMRC repay any taxes that Airbus have paid?

I suppose you could deduct one from the other and one pays the other the balance. 😀
Either way, with France, the EU and the UK seemingly subsidising Airbus, it doesn’t sound like it’s a very profitable business. With such a lack of success they might not be the best people to listen to about what’s best for our country. Especially when the script seems to have been written by HM Government.
Still, they have to keep Spreadsheet Phil and the EU on side. Otherwise the next subsidy might not arrive.

 

[SocketRocket]

Guessing Airbus will do the right thing should they depart these shores and pay back the millions they've received from UK taxpayers...

I have worked in the Aerospace industry and whatever is being said its a massive undertaking to move aircraft production sites. Its hard enough to do this within the UK as it normally requires many of the workforce moving with the site, people with the skills to do this work are not readily available, its not only the shop floor staff its the support services which are very specialised and large, let alone the physical logistics of moving production. Its not impossible but would it be worth that level of disruption due to some potenial temporary disruption to lorries at Dover?

I think if we hold our nerve then there will be a realisation in the EU very soon that the time for punishment tactics is over and time for consilary talks is imperative. These undermining tactics by the treasury to stoke up project fear are creating even more division and distrust of our politicians. More of it today from security services who wish to paint a grim picture of the possible effects on UK security if there's a no deal but they don't explain how the UK's superior intelligence services would create big holes in EU security if they were withdrawn. I think its time for the game playing to stop.

 

[robinthehood]

Do you know who Airbus' parent company are and how they were incorportated and funded?

Yes thanks.

 

[jp5]

Threatening to shoot yourself in the foot is hardly a good negotiating tactic.

 

[SocketRocket]

Threatening to shoot yourself in the foot is hardly a good negotiating tactic.

I agree. Maybe there's still time for the EU to put the gun down.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I agree. Maybe there's still time for the EU to put the gun down.

I assumed he was referring to us having David Davies, Dominic Raab and the new fella, as our negotiators

 

[SocketRocket]

I assumed he was referring to us having David Davies, Dominic Raab and the new fella, as our negotiators

They're not and never have been.

 

[oxymoron]

Yes thanks.

If you dont want to help someone get an answer , why be an arse ? I assume he asked because he doesn't know ,as do i , so why not just be civil and help someone get a clearer
understanding .I was always told if you have nothing constructive to say , dont say anything.

 

[robinthehood]

If you dont want to help someone get an answer , why be an arse ? I assume he asked because he doesn't know ,as do i , so why not just be civil and help someone get a clearer
understanding .I was always told if you have nothing constructive to say , dont say anything.

Or just read all other posts first before spouting off ? Now there's a thought.