Taz
Journeyman Pro
I see a new centrist party being formed once all this is settled (if not before) 
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
- Thread starter drdel
- Start date
- Status
Hopefully. IMO this country is best served when the politicians are in the middle ground.I see a new centrist party being formed once all this is settled (if not before)
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
Read a piece somewhere that the Queen could block the delaying or the actual non happening of Brexit. Would be only the second time royalty has not backed the government.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Get Phillip to give the Remainers in the cabinet a lift home ☺
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
😂😂😂😂
ger147
Tour Winner
You know it's getting serious when the Queen makes a comment on the issue...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46996180
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46996180
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
To be fair though, Humpty Dumpty is a cracking story.
Yesterday saw dire warnings from Airbus about moving manufacturing out of the UK in the event of a No Deal Brexit.
Today sees a Vice President of Airbus admit the announcement was issued at the insistence of the UK Government.
Project Fear? Hardly playing fair. Trust the govt?
Yesterday also saw the EU ask the member states to stop making bilateral deals with the UK, as Portugal joins Spain in signing deals with the UK. Member states tell Michel Barnier, at the Davos conference, to offer better No Deal terms.... better No Deal terms? Doesn't that constitute a Deal of some description.
Today sees a Vice President of Airbus admit the announcement was issued at the insistence of the UK Government.
Project Fear? Hardly playing fair. Trust the govt?
Yesterday also saw the EU ask the member states to stop making bilateral deals with the UK, as Portugal joins Spain in signing deals with the UK. Member states tell Michel Barnier, at the Davos conference, to offer better No Deal terms.... better No Deal terms? Doesn't that constitute a Deal of some description.
robinthehood
Hacker
Does that stop what Airbus says from bring true then?
If you're happy with that sort of behaviour I pity you. Says something about your moral compass.
oxymoron
Club Champion
There is an article on the BBC news app this morning saying some EU countries want the no deal legislation to be more generous to the UK , with regards to flights and road transport .
Is this a sign of discord among the EU 27 ? Or is it common sense coming to the fore and a realization that they do need us more than they are letting on. Playing hard ball seems to be
detrimental to the EU as well however some on here think we should just roll over , have our belly tickled and just take what Barnier et al want to stick up us ! Keeping no deal on the table is
the only option to enable negotiation and not capitulation , Corbyn must be in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks we could talk without this option . From a man who will talk to terrorist organisations
who negotiate with the bullet and bomb i find his stance on this absolutely disgusting.
Is this a sign of discord among the EU 27 ? Or is it common sense coming to the fore and a realization that they do need us more than they are letting on. Playing hard ball seems to be
detrimental to the EU as well however some on here think we should just roll over , have our belly tickled and just take what Barnier et al want to stick up us ! Keeping no deal on the table is
the only option to enable negotiation and not capitulation , Corbyn must be in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks we could talk without this option . From a man who will talk to terrorist organisations
who negotiate with the bullet and bomb i find his stance on this absolutely disgusting.
robinthehood
Hacker
What sort of behaviour? Got anything other than insults and Google?
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
Have you got a link for the Vice President statement
This would be horrific for the work force there who have over years suffered with ship building and other aircraft building companies going
https://amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-without-a-deal-its-chief-warns-37746770.html
It can’t be allowed to happen
Just tried finding it Phil. The VP is called Katherine ???????
EDIT: Sky News have it, but the wording is subtly different from the spin in the article I saw at silly o'clock this morning.
Taz
Journeyman Pro
was on twitter :
Airbus’s Senior UK Vice President Katherine Bennett let slip a key nugget of information live on Sky News this afternoon as part of their anti-No Deal media blitz. When challenged over whether “the government put you up to this,†after initially deflecting the question, Bennett confirmed that the Government had indeed asked them to up the ante on Project Fear:
Airbus’s Senior UK Vice President Katherine Bennett let slip a key nugget of information live on Sky News this afternoon as part of their anti-No Deal media blitz. When challenged over whether “the government put you up to this,†after initially deflecting the question, Bennett confirmed that the Government had indeed asked them to up the ante on Project Fear:
“They did say could you make sure that you make clear the potential impact of a No Deal, and we are happy to do that because No Deal is potentially going to be catastrophic for us.â€
D
Deleted member 1147
Guest
The bold bit is the important part for me
oxymoron
Club Champion
Potentially ????
Sounds like they are not sure or she should have not used that language.
drdel
Tour Rookie
And what is a real surprise is that some pragmatic nations like Poland, Spain, Italy and even France are in support: yet our 'friends' in Ireland have come down hard against moves that could help to smooth the process!
ger147
Tour Winner
Not sure how big the betting market is on Politics but I had a look this morning just out of interest to see what the bookies were saying and they have leaving in March 2019 as 3/1, so far from certain according to them.
The most worrying odds I spotted was for the next prime minister - Corbyn is the 9/2 favourite.
The most worrying odds I spotted was for the next prime minister - Corbyn is the 9/2 favourite.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
The EU seems to have played hardball from the start and the UK seemingly has done anything but. However, whilst playing hardball can get you in a good negotiating position, in the end it doesn’t often result in a good deal. Often it’s good to have a strong position to move back from. Something to compromise over.
A deal is only good if it works for both parties. Otherwise it will eventually fail.
The EU has form on taking negotiations to the 11th hour and beyond. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they do so this time. However, it appears that at least in some quarters of the EU they may be realising the time for hardball is over and it’s time to get sensible about a deal that works for all. I certainly hope so.
Of course, if we remove the possibility of no deal then we lose the one big thing we can compromise over. All will be lost and the EU will indeed tickle our belly for decades to come. It will result in a deal that will fail all of us at some point in the future.
Frankly it’s staggering to me that some supposedly intelligent people in Parliament actually think taking no deal off the table, especially at this critical time, is a remotely credible idea. It really does beggar belief. They wouldn’t buy a new kitchen like that but they think it’s okay when negotiating the nation’s future.
- Status
