Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[ger147]

So it seems like the prime minister's Plan B on Brexit is not to have a Plan B i.e. she has not announced a new plan in the HoC's this afternoon.

Taking a look at the opinion polls data on a 2nd EU referendum, there has been a fairly steady lead for Remain for 9 months and the lead has widened recently to an average of 6 points i.e. Remain 52%, Leave 46%. If we're not leaving with no deal (the HoC's say they won't allow it) and we're not extending A50 (the PM won't allow it), it is starting to look increasingly likely that we won't be leaving at all IMO.

 

[IanM]

...coughs. Been saying that since the morning after the Ref. NO vote against the EU has ever stood. That in itself is the best reason to leave.

 

[MegaSteve]

So it seems like the prime minister's Plan B on Brexit is not to have a Plan B i.e. she has not announced a new plan in the HoC's this afternoon.

Taking a look at the opinion polls data on a 2nd EU referendum, there has been a fairly steady lead for Remain for 9 months and the lead has widened recently to an average of 6 points i.e. Remain 52%, Leave 46%. If we're not leaving with no deal (the HoC's say they won't allow it) and we're not extending A50 (the PM won't allow it), it is starting to look increasingly likely that we won't be leaving at all IMO.

Sadly, a fair summary of where we are at..

 

[harpo_72]

I'll be entitled to kick off if the elected Government fails to enact the result of the vote. Don't know whether or not I actually will, but as the community voted to leave I'll be entitled. Far more entitled than those demanding a new vote because they don't like the result and are consequently ranting like petulant children... Oh, sorry, I used an emoji.



No further defence of the slight then? Guilty as charged.

Sounds like a kangaroo court, supported by the usual muppets, quick to cast aspersions, light on facts and willing to take offence.
2 yrs ago there was a referendum, looks like things have moved on. Now your upset because people aren’t so enthralled at the future a leave with no deal can bring.

Time always changes decision, the Iraq war was voted for by the HoC it was carried through, we went to war. Hindsight showed the reasons were incorrect. It wasn’t such a great idea. Now look at Brexit, is it such a great idea?

 

[SocketRocket]

So it seems like the prime minister's Plan B on Brexit is not to have a Plan B i.e. she has not announced a new plan in the HoC's this afternoon.

Taking a look at the opinion polls data on a 2nd EU referendum, there has been a fairly steady lead for Remain for 9 months and the lead has widened recently to an average of 6 points i.e. Remain 52%, Leave 46%. If we're not leaving with no deal (the HoC's say they won't allow it) and we're not extending A50 (the PM won't allow it), it is starting to look increasingly likely that we won't be leaving at all IMO.

Leaving with No Deal will happen unless the current law is changed. When you say the HOC won't allow it they did allow it when they voted for article 50.

 

[ger147]

Leaving with No Deal will happen unless the current law is changed. When you say the HOC won't allow it they did allow it when they voted for article 50.

I'm aware of the current position re. legislation in place.

IMO they will introduce legislation to stop it if they have to, that is the only thing there is currently a majority for in the HoC's.

 

[SocketRocket]

Sounds like a kangaroo court, supported by the usual muppets, quick to cast aspersions, light on facts and willing to take offence.
2 yrs ago there was a referendum, looks like things have moved on. Now your upset because people aren’t so enthralled at the future a leave with no deal can bring.

Time always changes decision, the Iraq war was voted for by the HoC it was carried through, we went to war. Hindsight showed the reasons were incorrect. It wasn’t such a great idea. Now look at Brexit, is it such a great idea?

What kind of twisted logic is that. If that's the case we should not accept any new laws or resolutions in Parliament as people may change their mind. Or is this only relevant to Brexit.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Sounds like a kangaroo court, supported by the usual muppets, quick to cast aspersions, light on facts and willing to take offence.
2 yrs ago there was a referendum, looks like things have moved on. Now your upset because people aren’t so enthralled at the future a leave with no deal can bring.

Time always changes decision, the Iraq war was voted for by the HoC it was carried through, we went to war. Hindsight showed the reasons were incorrect. It wasn’t such a great idea. Now look at Brexit, is it such a great idea?

It's a fantastic idea if only we had politicians with the brains and testicular fortitude to see it through. Sadly we don't; lions led by donkeys.

As for the usual muppets, aren't you the bloke that goes off about childish insults, yet you put a line like that? Uou've hung yourself with your own comments, no-one needed to cast any aspersions.

As for comparing this with the Iraq War, you tell us hindsight proved that to be wrong, yet you're hanging your hat on the version of Brexit endorsed by the proven liar that took us to war. You couldn't make it up.

Looks like you'll get to stay in Europe, regardless of what the majority wanted. I'll live with that; the investments that I've got that have taken a hit will come back short term, which relatively speaking is what I've got left, so I'll be fine. Long term as the EU drags us deeper into the mire and the economy slowly tanks you can enjoy the fruits of your victory, by then it won't bother me one jot.

You've proven yourself a hypocrite in this thread, so like the other wind-up merchant that's dragged this thread down I'm not going to rise to any more of your bait. Goodnight.

 

[Slime]

Sounds like a kangaroo court, supported by the usual muppets, quick to cast aspersions, light on facts and willing to take offence.
2 yrs ago there was a referendum, looks like things have moved on. Now your upset because people aren’t so enthralled at the future a leave with no deal can bring.

Time always changes decision, the Iraq war was voted for by the HoC it was carried through, we went to war. Hindsight showed the reasons were incorrect. It wasn’t such a great idea. Now look at Brexit, is it such a great idea?

I think so, yes. ........................... but what do I know, I'm only a muppet after all!

 

[Deleted member 1418]

IMO one of the points that keeps

Time always changes decision, the Iraq war was voted for by the HoC it was carried through, we went to war. Hindsight showed the reasons were incorrect. It wasn’t such a great idea. Now look at Brexit, is it such a great idea?

But there wasn't a public referendum on whether to go to war with Iraq.

 

[harpo_72]

I think so, yes. ........................... but what do I know, I'm only a muppet after all!

Congrats on the realisation

 

[harpo_72]

IMO one of the points that keeps


But there wasn't a public referendum on whether to go to war with Iraq.

Nope that’s very true. But not relevant to the point being made.

 

[harpo_72]

It's a fantastic idea if only we had politicians with the brains and testicular fortitude to see it through. Sadly we don't; lions led by donkeys.

As for the usual muppets, aren't you the bloke that goes off about childish insults, yet you put a line like that? Uou've hung yourself with your own comments, no-one needed to cast any aspersions.

As for comparing this with the Iraq War, you tell us hindsight proved that to be wrong, yet you're hanging your hat on the version of Brexit endorsed by the proven liar that took us to war. You couldn't make it up.

Looks like you'll get to stay in Europe, regardless of what the majority wanted. I'll live with that; the investments that I've got that have taken a hit will come back short term, which relatively speaking is what I've got left, so I'll be fine. Long term as the EU drags us deeper into the mire and the economy slowly tanks you can enjoy the fruits of your victory, by then it won't bother me one jot.

You've proven yourself a hypocrite in this thread, so like the other wind-up merchant that's dragged this thread down I'm not going to rise to any more of your bait. Goodnight.

Goodnight ... 😢

 

[harpo_72]

What kind of twisted logic is that. If that's the case we should not accept any new laws or resolutions in Parliament as people may change their mind. Or is this only relevant to Brexit.

Keep up “yesterday’s news” ....

 

[Slime]

Congrats on the realisation

Is that really the best you can come up with?
Wow!

 

[Dando]

It's a fantastic idea if only we had politicians with the brains and testicular fortitude to see it through. Sadly we don't; lions led by donkeys.

As for the usual muppets, aren't you the bloke that goes off about childish insults, yet you put a line like that? Uou've hung yourself with your own comments, no-one needed to cast any aspersions.

As for comparing this with the Iraq War, you tell us hindsight proved that to be wrong, yet you're hanging your hat on the version of Brexit endorsed by the proven liar that took us to war. You couldn't make it up.

Looks like you'll get to stay in Europe, regardless of what the majority wanted. I'll live with that; the investments that I've got that have taken a hit will come back short term, which relatively speaking is what I've got left, so I'll be fine. Long term as the EU drags us deeper into the mire and the economy slowly tanks you can enjoy the fruits of your victory, by then it won't bother me one jot.

You've proven yourself a hypocrite in this thread, so like the other wind-up merchant that's dragged this thread down I'm not going to rise to any more of your bait. Goodnight.

You forgot to add emojis 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[harpo_72]

Is that really the best you can come up with?
Wow!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Lord Tyrion]

If I can butt in for a second. Today was supposed to be about plan b. There is goi g to be another vote on plan b next Tuesday I believe. From what I've seen nothing has changed so presumably we are going to lose another week an TM is going to get another kicking?

Am I wrong in this assessment? I haven't heard what the political journalists have said. Have they found something different that will unlock the logjam?

 

[Blue in Munich]

You forgot to add emojis 🤦🏻‍♂️

And lower myself to that level?

 

[Dando]

And lower myself to that level?

Just this once mate