Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Blue in Munich]

I’ll be honest the Irish complexity was not on my mind. The impacts across the businesses and the small businesses yes they have been considered... so yeah I did think about others, and my son.

As no doubt did many Leavers consider the effect on their families. So you weren’t alone and your slight on Leave voters for being selfish is completely unjustified.

 

[harpo_72]

As no doubt did many Leavers consider the effect on their families. So you weren’t alone and your slight on Leave voters for being selfish is completely unjustified.

There was no slight... read the statement...

 

[Slime]

Worrying Brexit statistic I read, 87% of toilet rolls are imported.
You would think that the former British Empire could at least produce bog rolls

Well, you'll just have to use both sides from now on.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'd be very surprised at that. Toilet rolls are a cheap, bulky item, not ideal for transportation over distance. We also have lots of factories in the UK that can make them, it is not a sophisticated product. If the figure is correct it is a simple one to remedy if required. Saying that, maybe the margins are so small it is not worth producing in the eyes of some companies?

We do import a good deal of more sophisticated paper or wipe material from the eu, my company does, as whilst we produce some there are other nations that specialise in them to a greater extent, Italy for example. However it should not be an issue still as material is a global commodity and the USA and Far East could take up any slack if required.

That is what I thought.

Where I lived we export loads of trees to Sweden of all places. No doubt coming back to us in Ikea flatpacks
Swedish tourists get quite upset when the see our Galloway commercial forests,

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Talking more sh1t Doon?

Naw https://www.indexbox.io/blog/which-country-imports-the-most-toilet-paper-in-the-world/

But you are typing it

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Luckily we have found 2 million of these to use instead.....

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Two million, wow I did not know that they produced that many, thanks for that.
All crowdfunded by a blogger.

The new one is coming out next month, should be a blast.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I remember gurning Greg Wallace on the programme about factories was at a bog roll factory in the uk .
Can’t remember where or which company though

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Interesting view from the other side of the world

https://www.express.co.uk/videos/570732/Brexit-It-shouldn-t-have-been-this-hard-says-Sky-News-host

 

[SocketRocket]

That is what I thought.

Where I lived we export loads of trees to Sweden of all places. No doubt coming back to us in Ikea flatpacks
Swedish tourists get quite upset when the see our Galloway commercial forests,

They must be cacking themselves incase they don't get our trees after Brexit.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

That is what I thought.

Where I lived we export loads of trees to Sweden of all places. No doubt coming back to us in Ikea flatpacks
Swedish tourists get quite upset when the see our Galloway commercial forests,

I went to Stockholm last year with work. Flying in you pass mile after mile of forests and lakes, beautiful landscape. It seems funny that they would be importing trees but it could be different types of course.

Very expensive place Stockholm but one I think worth returning to for another visit, not work this time.

 

[USER1999]

I went to Stockholm last year with work. Flying in you pass mile after mile of forests and lakes, beautiful landscape. It seems funny that they would be importing trees but it could be different types of course.

Very expensive place Stockholm but one I think worth returning to for another visit, not work this time.

Why would they want to cut their own trees down?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Why would they want to cut their own trees down?

Ha ha, smart thinking

 

[Blue in Munich]

There was no slight... read the statement...

Where’s your deal ... ? That’s the key question, I am not taking one for team leave, I want the deal that leaves me alone. That is my entitlement. No one is stopping leave, unless it’s going to throw us into chaos or lose our livelihood. Call that selfish if you like but were you thinking about impacts to others when you voted leave or just your own situation? Because if it’s the latter, don’t get upset when others apply the same logic.

There's the statement, it reads like the rant of a petulant child.

If you'd said "were you thinking of the rights of others when you voted" then there would be no slight. The moment you add "leave" to that statement it becomes a slight as it's aimed at only one side of the vote.

You don't have an entitlement to be unaffected; none of us do, it's part of living in a community. When Government changes & taxation levels alter, do people who didn't vote for that Government have the right to be left alone? Of course they don't, they have to toe the line. And that is what should happen here, but I doubt it will as Government does its best to block Brexit.

Doubtless were Brexit to prove a huge benefit to the country you wouldn't be happy to be better off as you want to be left alone; can we take it you'd pay all yours back in line with your strong principles? No, of course you wouldn't.

 

[harpo_72]

There's the statement, it reads like the rant of a petulant child.

If you'd said "were you thinking of the rights of others when you voted" then there would be no slight. The moment you add "leave" to that statement it becomes a slight as it's aimed at only one side of the vote.

You don't have an entitlement to be unaffected; none of us do, it's part of living in a community. When Government changes & taxation levels alter, do people who didn't vote for that Government have the right to be left alone? Of course they don't, they have to toe the line. And that is what should happen here, but I doubt it will as Government does its best to block Brexit.

Doubtless were Brexit to prove a huge benefit to the country you wouldn't be happy to be better off as you want to be left alone; can we take it you'd pay all yours back in line with your strong principles? No, of course you wouldn't.

So you going to kick off if we have no Brexit? As we are part of a community....
You read into a statement what ever you like.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Why would they want to cut their own trees down?

In Sweden most of their trees are natural native self seeded.

Scotland has considerable commercial forestry, a lot of it was planted in the wrong places under Thatcher's 1970's rich peoples tax dodge scheme.
Most of the badly planted areas, such as The Flow Country,Glen Etive and on Mull, have now matured and the trees have been cut down.

Forestry is now starting to work quite successfully under the Scottish Governments guidelines

 

[Blue in Munich]

So you going to kick off if we have no Brexit? As we are part of a community....

I'll be entitled to kick off if the elected Government fails to enact the result of the vote. Don't know whether or not I actually will, but as the community voted to leave I'll be entitled. Far more entitled than those demanding a new vote because they don't like the result and are consequently ranting like petulant children... Oh, sorry, I used an emoji.

You read into a statement what ever you like.

No further defence of the slight then? Guilty as charged.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Hells teeth...……..In a Sky poll 26% thought that no deal meant we stayed in the EU.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Hells teeth...……..In a Sky poll 26% thought that no deal meant we stayed in the EU.

They will be the people who watch Geordie Shore, Love Island, The Kardashians etc. Disturbing but they walk amongst us and are allowed to vote

 

[ColchesterFC]

Hells teeth...……..In a Sky poll 26% thought that no deal meant we stayed in the EU.

If some MPs get their way then that 26% might be more right than you are giving them credit for.

 

[User62651]

In Sweden most of their trees are natural native self seeded.

Scotland has considerable commercial forestry, a lot of it was planted in the wrong places under Thatcher's 1970's rich peoples tax dodge scheme.
Most of the badly planted areas, such as The Flow Country,Glen Etive and on Mull, have now matured and the trees have been cut down.

Forestry is now starting to work quite successfully under the Scottish Governments guidelines

Sorry Doon, some of that and earlier posts isn't quite right. This is my line of work.

Swedens commerical trees are planted, not self seeded. Self seeding does not produce a uniform crop that is ideal for producing regular size trees needed for an automated sawmilling process. They hammered their natural forest resource in 19th century and then undertook a massive reforestation program since through hand planting.

Re the exports from Scotland, we are only exporting to Sweden small roundwood which is small diameter pieces of timber in the 5cm dia to 14cm dia range, anything bigger is log size and worth a lot more money and is used domestically at Carlisle, Dalbeattie and Lockerbie mills and sometimes to Irish mills. Logs are sawn, small roundwood is chipped or reduced to fibres.

Sweden does masses of forest logging and replanting (300 million trees + per year from nurseries and hand planted), it's one of their biggest industries, all sustainably managed.

UK commercial timber is primarily fast grown American sitka spruce (named after Sitka Island) that likes our temperate damp climate, Swedes dont grow sitka spruce, too cold and dry there for it, they grow native species Scots Pine and Norway spruce but very slowly with short growing season. Taking 3000 tonnes of sitka from UK on a boat from Montrose works out cheaper than hauling by lorry and road from internal Sweden for low value small diameter timber material they are turning into particle board/MDF/OSB/paper etc. Therefore they take what they can that way on top of what they produce themselves.

When you fell a typical sitka tree here you will get 3 logs and 2 pieces of small roundwood out of it. Stumps, branches and tops are left in forest to helps make mats to run the machines over then rot down.

The Flow Country has seem removal of trees from unsuitable land that were put there under pre 1988 Schedule D tax relief on forestry I agree. Mull and Glen Etive are fine for commercial forestry, if you fell them there you have to by law replant. Mull is a bit anti-forestry, not locals but white settlers typically. There is a left wing land reform driven anti-landowner issue too, community buyouts etc. Hate timber lorries getting in the way of tourists with cash heading to Iona and Tobermory etc. The forests actually act as habitat for their beloved white tailed eagles too.

Uk foresty took some stick, some deserved, some not for tax driven inappropriate planting in 70s/80s. These days the controls and bureaucracy is heavy and the 2 standards of UKFS and UKWAS we have to meet are pretty stringent in terms of biodiversity gains and environmental practice.

Scot Govt is promoting commercial forestry heavily and Fergus Ewing has been very good minister for forestry. The Forestry Commisison (about to have a name change soon) who police the forest plans which give felling approval etc to the private sector are who we have the most problems with, so slow and scared to death of upsetting RSPB,SNH, walkers etc etc.