Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

Exhibit 1 : Gina Miller, who is she, and who funded her?
Exhibit 2 : Every other vote that the EU has lost. What happened to them?
I could go on.

No shady plot, far from it. Precise and wilful path to Federalism via progressive treaty.

But of course i could be wrong. May could take us out on WTO terms in the morning. But I havent been wrong on any of this yet,

Does it matter who Gina Miller is? And who funded her? What would you say if a nobody Leaver had sprung out of the woodwork and campaigned in the last 2 years?

As for how many times the EU has lost a referendum but the result has never been enacted... that one is a concern. It would appear that the politicians in many countries don't respect the people who put them there.

 

[User62651]

Seeing as Mrs May is fair game to both leavers and remainers with her in/out shake it all about stance, can I lighten the mood?

Might be old but I only saw it on twitter yesterday, uncanny -. Sorry to those of you born post 1977 or so, you probably dont remember Twiki !

 

[Hacker Khan]

Does it matter who Gina Miller is? And who funded her? What would you say if a nobody Leaver had sprung out of the woodwork and campaigned in the last 2 years?

As for how many times the EU has lost a referendum but the result has never been enacted... that one is a concern. It would appear that the politicians in many countries don't respect the people who put them there.

You'd hope nations would give it a lot of thought on how they would enact the result before calling a referendum on that subject then.

 

[Dando]

You'd hope nations would give it a lot of thought on how they would enact the result before calling a referendum on that subject then.

maybe the EU should respect the result!

 

[Hacker Khan]

maybe the EU should respect the result!

Not quite sure when the EU have said they do not respect the result. And as some ardent leavers have stated, they do not blame the EU negotiators but the incompetence of our own negotiations.

 

[bluewolf]

maybe the EU should respect the result!

I'm intrigued to know just how the EU are not respecting the result?

They've unilaterally agreed a negotiating position. They've allowed a small, organised group to do the negotiating, and they've stuck to what they agreed on..

Our Negotiators are the ones who didn't know what we wanted, when we wanted it, or how we planned to get it. We've had more negotiators than Jordan's had overnight dates. We've been a mess from start to finish because we triggered Art 50 long before we had a coherent plan.. Our Government should be ashamed of itself..

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I'm rather enjoying all the biased TV coverage....camera stays on the interviewee the whole time anti brexit buses/banners etc are displayed, yet as soon as the pro brexit slogan appears they cut back to the interviewer. Incredible behaviour from a corrupt media.

 

[Dando]

I'm intrigued to know just how the EU are not respecting the result?

They've unilaterally agreed a negotiating position. They've allowed a small, organised group to do the negotiating, and they've stuck to what they agreed on..

Our Negotiators are the ones who didn't know what we wanted, when we wanted it, or how we planned to get it. We've had more negotiators than Jordan's had overnight dates. We've been a mess from start to finish because we triggered Art 50 long before we had a coherent plan.. Our Government should be ashamed of itself..

I wasn’t talking about the UK referendum.
My post was in relation to other referendums that hadn’t been enacted!

 

[User62651]

Not quite sure when the EU have said they do not respect the result. And as some ardent leavers have stated, they do not blame the EU negotiators but the incompetence of our own negotiations.

Good point, the EU have negotiated something like 30+ trade agreements over decades with non EU countries yet firstly Leave campaign and then May/UK Govt thought they could swan along and bluff their way to the best 'cake and eat it' deal with the EU ever, at the first time of asking. May submitted article 50 letter under pressure from Brexiteers far too early. Think inexperience and being the smaller negotiating partner, we got a rude awakening. A bad deal is now better than no deal according to May, yet another u-turn.

 

[bluewolf]

I wasn’t talking about the UK referendum.
My post was in relation to other referendums that hadn’t been enacted!

Not saying I completely disagree, but surely it's the job of the Country holding the Referendum to enact (or not) the result? If the EU attempt to convince them otherwise (using whatever means they feel adequate I suppose), then it's still the fault of the Government if the result has not been enacted?

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Good point, the EU have negotiated something like 30+ trade agreements over decades with non EU countries

Yes they have. But speak to some of the officials in those countries - as I have done over the last 6 months - and there's a fair bit of resentment towards the EU over how they approached those negotiations, particularly from those countries who are classed as 'developing' or 'least developed countries' by the WTO. You'll hear the words 'bullying' and 'aggressive' used. Ultimately those countries haven't been able to turn down the amount of cash the EU has thrown at them.

 

[USER1999]

I doubt if the German auto industry feel that tge EU negotiators have done a good job.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I'm rather enjoying all the biased TV coverage....camera stays on the interviewee the whole time anti brexit buses/banners etc are displayed, yet as soon as the pro brexit slogan appears they cut back to the interviewer. Incredible behaviour from a corrupt media.

Yes, that's right. BBC producers and cameraman are all funded by George Soros as well ....

Christ, if this is the level of paranoia and conspiracy theories before the vote chuff knows what will happen after it. Can't wait for the tsunami of blame being put on just about everyone but the real people who have failed us.

 

[IanM]

You'd hope nations would give it a lot of thought on how they would enact the result before calling a referendum on that subject then.

Refs called to "shut up the dissenters and then demonstrate that exit will result in the sky falling in"

The EU have no obligation to respect nation states holding referendums... they now dont even respect the right of these states to exist!

 

[IanM]

I doubt if the German auto industry feel that tge EU negotiators have done a good job.

They sent a delegation to see Merkel in Nov to tell her to avoid trouble... she probably told them not to worry as the UK isnt leaving.

Note how all the coverage in the media ignores the impact of revenue loss by non UK businesses in the event of an impass. Funny eh?

 

[Hacker Khan]

They sent a delegation to see Merkel in Nov to tell her to avoid trouble... she probably told them not to worry as the UK isnt leaving.

Note how all the coverage in the media ignores the impact of revenue loss by non UK businesses in the event of an impass. Funny eh?

Not really as it's the UK market the Uk media are catering for, so they will be focusing on stories that impact UK industries. Well that's is in between all their secret meetings to work out clever camera angles to bring down Brexit apparently.

I am sure German papers will be full of the horrific impact on their car industry if that is what will happen if that kind of news floats your das boot.

 

[Hobbit]

Not really as it's the UK market the Uk media are catering for, so they will be focusing on stories that impact UK industries. Well that's is in between all their secret meetings to work out clever camera angles to bring down Brexit apparently.

I am sure German papers will be full of the horrific impact on their car industry if that is what will happen if that kind of news floats your das boot.

If you haven't been watching the obviously biased coverage may I suggest you don't patronise those that have.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If you haven't been watching the obviously biased coverage may I suggest you don't patronise those that have.

How?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'm rather enjoying all the biased TV coverage....camera stays on the interviewee the whole time anti brexit buses/banners etc are displayed, yet as soon as the pro brexit slogan appears they cut back to the interviewer. Incredible behaviour from a corrupt media.

Oh do give over.
For the 90 minutes I watched this morning, there were about 50 EU flags, half a dozen Unionist flegs, one UKIPPER [brave wee soul] and one saltire.
Oh and a very annoying bell ringer and drummer.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes, that's right. BBC producers and cameraman are all funded by George Soros as well ....

Christ, if this is the level of paranoia and conspiracy theories before the vote chuff knows what will happen after it. Can't wait for the tsunami of blame being put on just about everyone but the real people who have failed us.

There have been a number of visits to Barnier and Junker by the likes of Ken Clarke, Tony Blair, Jeremy Corbyn, Nick Clegg and many other Remainers who have been trying to give advice and assistance to the EU negotiators hoping it will derail what the Peoples vote decided. Are these not some of the people who have failed us.