Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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SocketRocket said:
Why? Youve got nothing so I will just accept you were talking rubbish.
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No, there is evidence... your the one who has consistently posted drivel/rubbish and your completely wedded to an ideal that has no strategy or clue. Your decision was based on a perception that the EU was the bogey man and you were doing something heroic... but the real problems are home grown, and you have not realised this.
 
harpo_72 said:
No, there is evidence... your the one who has consistently posted drivel/rubbish and your completely wedded to an ideal that has no strategy or clue. Your decision was based on a perception that the EU was the bogey man and you were doing something heroic... but the real problems are home grown, and you have not realised this.
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Best thing is to ignore you, you seem to think anyone with a different view is an idiot. I can't have a discussion with someone so shuttered and rude so don't reply as I'm finished wasting my time.
 
harpo_72 said:
Why call it at all? What would happen if he lets May soldier on ... will she keep on pretending to try and get a new deal? Would we actually see a staunch leave candidate take her place ?
Corbyn can sit and wait and watch ... if we go out we will have a period of turmoil. That person will and their party will be remembered for that, and every election the electrorate will be reminded.
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The latest word is if Corbyn doesn't do it his back benchers are gonna try and do it.

I'm not advocating it being done btw, just giving my prediction re. what I think is going to happen and when.
 
ger147 said:
The latest word is if Corbyn doesn't do it his back benchers are gonna try and do it.

I'm not advocating it being done btw, just giving my prediction re. what I think is going to happen and when.
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Brutally honest I don’t think he is playing this game very well. But it’s all a power struggle and not about what is best for the country .. leave or stay.
 
harpo_72 said:
Brutally honest I don’t think he is playing this game very well. But it’s all a power struggle and not about what is best for the country .. leave or stay.
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He can't win a No Confidence vote without rebel Tory MP's supporting him as the DUP have remained firm throughout the May deal fiasco i.e. they will vote against her deal but will NOT vote against her in a no confidence vote. So if all the Tory MP's vote with the government, he cannot win no matter what.

It's all grandstanding IMO as if I know what I've just posted above to be true, he has to know it too.

Meanwhile as you say, the clock to the 29th Mar continues to tick down...
 
ger147 said:
He can't win a No Confidence vote without rebel Tory MP's supporting him as the DUP have remained firm throughout the May deal fiasco i.e. they will vote against her deal but will NOT vote against her in a no confidence vote. So if all the Tory MP's vote with the government, he cannot win no matter what.

It's all grandstanding IMO as if I know what I've just posted above to be true, he has to know it too.

Meanwhile as you say, the clock to the 29th Mar continues to tick down...
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I don’t think the Tory’s will side with labour, this has all been about them staying in government not about what the people want. Hence no point on the confidence vote, just let the Tory’s tidy up their mess.
 
.. on the other hand if he does win the no-confidence then it will be fun to watch this whole thing unravel even further.
1) Labour would be like the Brexiteers during the referndum.. no one incl themselves believed they would win and therefore made no plan
2) Tory would be happy that the shoe is on the other foot and would now start demanding a 'good deal' ...

... popcorn please and roll on the no confidence.. (In reality, i think the deal will go thru.. no one in Westminister cares about the country, they only care about their own jobs.)
 
harpo_72 said:
I don’t think the Tory’s will side with labour, this has all been about them staying in government not about what the people want. Hence no point on the confidence vote, just let the Tory’s tidy up their mess.
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Labour and Tories are in a working coalition in about half a dozen Scottish councils.
They will sup with the devil to stay in power. [until the next time]
 
MegaSteve said:
Well, as Ms May is now threatening no leave rather than no deal should her concoction of a 'deal' fail to get through... Yep, there's every chance of you getting a payout..
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In that case she should be sacked.
Her job was to take us out of the EU, as per the democratic process of the referendum.
She has no right to suggest 'no leave'.
 
Slime said:
In that case she should be sacked.
Her job was to take us out of the EU, as per the democratic process of the referendum.
She has no right to suggest 'no leave'.
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Can she be sacked, other than by The Queen?
She's desperate and will lose tomorrow, living in cloud cuckoo land. Doesn't know what to say to MPs other than feeble scaremongering now. But will she have the grace to stand down after abig loss?.......I very much doubt it. She will be on full blown dalek 'exterminate' mode by end of tomorrow.....deny all reality, full circuitry meltdown.:oops:
 
maxfli65 said:
Can she be sacked, other than by The Queen?
She's desperate and will lose tomorrow, living in cloud cuckoo land. Doesn't know what to say to MPs other than feeble scaremongering now. But will she have the grace to stand down after abig loss?.......I very much doubt it. She will be on full blown dalek 'exterminate' mode by end of tomorrow.....deny all reality, full circuitry meltdown.:oops:
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The only 2 ways she can be sacked is either losing a vote of confidence on her as Tory leader (she has already won one of those and can't be subjected to another for 1 year) of her government loses a no confidence motion. The DUP have confirmed they will support the government is any no confidence vote so the arithmetic means she is almost certain not to lose one of those either, so she won't be getting the sack any time soon.

I have no idea if she'll throw in the towel if she loses her vote tomorrow and the group of MP's succeed in taking over the Brexit process moving forward.
 
It has come to this situation due to her poor negotiating. She seems to have allowed the EU to delay the talks on trade arrangements with their insistence on only discussing the Irish border and the divorce bill. The EU have used the Irish Republic as their tool to do this and we have fallen for it Hook Line and Sinker as time has run out.

She should have shown some back bone and insisted nothing is agreed until all is agreed and that's what she was saying at one time. Labour have been completely vague on what they wanted to happen other than their pie in the sky six tests. The likes of Sourbry, Green and Clarke have acted disgracefully in my opinion, they may well have been Remainers but should have followed the instruction given by the peoples Vote.
So now we find ourselves in this primeval soup where all sorts of slithering creatures are shaming the mother of parliaments by pursuing personal agendas rather than accepting democracy, putting away party politics and working to make Brexit a great success.
 
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