drdel
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I'd respectfully suggest your wrong. In numerous posts I have given reasons why I consider the UK would be better off outside of the EU.
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I'd respectfully suggest your wrong. In numerous posts I have given reasons why I consider the UK would be better off outside of the EU.
Doon frae Troon
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As I did not get a responce from the Brexit supporting poster regarding my question about his comment that the UK will be hit financially to start with before we started gaining any benefit . I shall open the question to other Brexit supporters.
I asked how hard will we be hit and how soon will it be before we see benefit.
Proper financial and time estimates required non of that willy nilly, wooly bully platitudes and insults that we normally get please. Something that would make me realise that Brexit will not be all that bad.
If we do not know the answer to those questions then we are not only driving off the cliff but putting ear defenders and a blindfold on first.
I asked how hard will we be hit and how soon will it be before we see benefit.
Proper financial and time estimates required non of that willy nilly, wooly bully platitudes and insults that we normally get please. Something that would make me realise that Brexit will not be all that bad.
If we do not know the answer to those questions then we are not only driving off the cliff but putting ear defenders and a blindfold on first.
I'm a remainer but that question can not be answered by either side. Treasury forecasts, Bank of England forecasts, IMF forecasts, most forecasts are baloney and have been showed to be baloney for a number of years. Remainers can not accurately forecast growth within the EU for the next two years any more than Leavers can answer what you have asked. Both sides can guess but guessing is about all they can do.
I asked how hard will we be hit and how soon will it be before we see benefit.
That question can be asked in a general way, definitely the second part of it, but no more.
SocketRocket
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Here's an answer for you. The people's vote decided we will leave the EU, so leave we must. The consequences of that decision will unfold as we move into this new arrangement which is uncertain at this time. Asking someone to give an explicit report on the exact outcomes is just silly, absolutely no one can do that, just as no one can precisely forecast how the finances of the EU will unfold over the next N years. The decision to leave the EU was not purely a financial one so you need to educate yourself on this fact, just like the vote on Scottish independence was not purely financial.
A dose of realism is needed by many who would rather waste their energies trying to undo the democratic decision.
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drdel
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You know full well that you can't get a normally lay person to have any data to quantify an analysis to answer the questions - it just appears to be arguing for the sake of it.
Doon frae Troon
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If that is the case can we then ask Brexiteers to stop saying that things are going to be just dandy once we get through the initial financial hit.
I think we all tend to agree that the UK will suffer a financial when we leave the EU.
Old Skier
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As we will if we stay in due to a massive hike in the budget and the cost to the few.
SocketRocket
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So you know something we dont then. All any of us are suggesting is what we think will happen but there are no gurantees either way. Why are you regurgitating the same old twaddle. Are you incapable of taking in what people are saying to you or are you just Trolling as usual.
harpo_72
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Nothing to do with EU this is the government’s fiscal policy, you will vote them in and then they will raise the taxes .. that’s Tory policy ...
ger147
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I think he meant an increase to the EU budget not the UK budget...
harpo_72
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Briefly put ... your unhappy your desperate for a change, you think this is your opportunity but have no idea what the consequences are... your not the only one there are lots of people who feel the same. Sadly though the people who are responsible for your dilemma are local to the UK. They can affect your circumstances more than the EU.. it is human nature to want a bogey man.
There you go, psycho analysed ... for free 🤣🤣🤣🤣
harpo_72
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If that’s the case if we are represented correctly we can seek to reject the proposal... or Nigel has failed to be present for that vote .. by the way he has applied for a German passport ..
harpo_72
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No we have clarity .. you want something but have no clue of the implications... 🤣
ger147
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We don't have a veto over the EU budget so if we get out voted it goes up, even tho' we are one of the biggest contributors.
Best tell the Italians they can reject the EU's instruction for their budget.
Mudball
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Chris Grayling has waded in and says that the Ferry contracts are the right thing.. Now I can relax we got the Right guy in charge of our infrastructure.. nothing can go wrong now..
harpo_72
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Just watch the Italians ....
Slime
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Wrong.
What part of independence and self-governance do you not understand?
Or do your blinkers have 'common sense' filters fitted?
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harpo_72
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Mate you don’t know between you what is the exit you want Norway deal, Canadian deal, no deal or TM deal ... sort your selves outWrong.
What part of independence and self-governance do you not understand?
Or do your blinkers have 'common sense filters' fitted?
People voted for Leave, many for various reasons. For some it was immigration, for others it was to end a creeping federalism and so on and so on. If you want to criticise anyone for what sort of deal they want you need to direct that at the politicians. The Man-in-street Leaver didn't vote for the things you've listed, only to Leave. Nothing else was on the ballot paper.
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