Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[robinthehood]

Really?

Post #3279.

When you were asked to substantiate your pronouncements you took your bat and ball home. Its all there just before and around post #3279.

At least Harpo has put together some very good arguments. You've given virtually nothing of any substance to the debate, preferring soundbites without substance. But hey, how about another "I'm out of here."

I have asked what are the benefits of leaving the EU. Not once has anyone responded with anything other than an insult. All you've done is re hash one of my posts and tried to use those very words as your own.

 

[Hobbit]

I have asked what are the benefits of leaving the EU. Not once has anyone responded with anything other than an insult. All you've done is re hash one of my posts and tried to use those very words as your own.

If you look around that post you will clearly see I asked you to substantiate your claims with more than soundbites. The only thing you offered around that time was the throwaway comment on light bulbs, vacuum cleaners and blue passports. The article that Colchester found, in which they were quoted, had a lot more than the 3 things you posted, but including those would have weakened your argument.

There's only one person guilty of avoidance here, and its you. The evidence is all around that post I quoted.

But if you want to look elsewhere in the thread there's plenty of posts with the possible benefits quoted, but finding them wouldn't suit your argument would it. Have a look at post #3323. and then go to the EU market access database website and acquaint yourself with the level of tariffs that stop goods from elsewhere being competitive in the EU. Debate them, argue constructively, backed by evidence. Don't do a Farage or a George Osbourne with one-liners that have more holes than a fishing net.

And I have no intention of insulting you, only highlighting your lack of putting anything out there of substance. I voted Remain, and would do so again. I despaired at George Osbourne's and David Cameron's strategy and tactics. Soundbite politics isn't what we need, and it certainly won't repair the divisiveness that's all around the argument. Incontrovertible facts and evidence is the only way to win people over. Treating them like idiots, with throwaway one liners just perpetuates the bile.

 

[SocketRocket]

I have asked what are the benefits of leaving the EU. Not once has anyone responded with anything other than an insult. All you've done is re hash one of my posts and tried to use those very words as your own.

The question has been answered in great detail, you however seem unable to absorb the data and keep reiterating the question. It becomes very difficult not to question your ability to comprehend information and partake in reasoned debate.

 

[SocketRocket]

Nice insult ... but your still incapable of an argument.. and I don’t need to make a quote using some jumped up wind bags .. quote a physicist and I might be impressed. 🤣

Oh the irony 😂 You keep accusing others of posting lnsults when your posts are full of them.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I have asked what are the benefits of leaving the EU. Not once has anyone responded with anything other than an insult. All you've done is re hash one of my posts and tried to use those very words as your own.

It's a bit hypocritical of you to complain about people not answering your questions when in post #3290 I responded asking you what you saw as the benefits of remaining in the EU. There was no insult and nothing more to my post than that but you chose to ignore that question. It's entirely possible that my question got lost in the noise surrounding you spitting your dummy and flouncing out of the thread so I'll ask again......

What are the benefits of remaining in the EU?

And like Hobbit I was in favour of Remain and if we went back to June 2016 I would still be wanting to Remain.

 

[Sweep]

3,362 replies to this thread and over 10,000 on the previous thread and not one benefit for leaving the EU has been posted?
I think someone is mistaken.

 

[harpo_72]

I freely admit I’m not great at making lucid/concise arguments but If you have read Hobbits and Socket Rockets posts on this thread and still don’t think there is a counter argument to your point then there really is no helping you.

You have never felt like digging deeper?

 

[harpo_72]

It's a bit hypocritical of you to complain about people not answering your questions when in post #3290 I responded asking you what you saw as the benefits of remaining in the EU. There was no insult and nothing more to my post than that but you chose to ignore that question. It's entirely possible that my question got lost in the noise surrounding you spitting your dummy and flouncing out of the thread so I'll ask again......

What are the benefits of remaining in the EU?

And like Hobbit I was in favour of Remain and if we went back to June 2016 I would still be wanting to Remain.

You replied with a question.. the EU remain is the current status .. there is the answer but the question really is what does leave do?

 

[ColchesterFC]

You replied with a question.. the EU remain is the current status .. there is the answer but the question really is what does leave do?

I wanted to Remain, I'm not the right person to try to give the benefits of leaving? I'm not so pompous or so arrogant that I think I know what Leave voters thought or wanted, so how am I meant to answer the question? But as you've raised the issue, if "the EU remain is the current status" what do you think are the benefits of that?

 

[harpo_72]

I wanted to Remain, I'm not the right person to try to give the benefits of leaving? I'm not so pompous or so arrogant that I think I know what Leave voters thought or wanted, so how am I meant to answer the question? But as you've raised the issue, if "the EU remain is the current status" what do you think are the benefits of that?

Life’s good .. stuff happens, things are available and affordable. There is your answer.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Life’s good .. stuff happens, things are available and affordable. There is your answer.

For you personally or for the general population? And would you accept that as an answer from a Leaver? If they had answered your question on the benefits of leaving the EU with "life will be good......stuff will happen, things will be available and affordable" would you have been happy with that as an answer?

 

[Pants]

Just a thought. How about those with their crystal balls who have spent endless hours telling us of the gloom and doom that will befall us when we leave the EU, using those same balls to tell us what the mid to long term effects of staying in the EU would bring.

Things like future contributions, rebates, joining the Euro, federal state, other countries wanting to leave, budget agreements, European armed force, probable collapse of the experiment, etc, etc.

Come on. If you really can tell us The Facts and back them up, some leavers might be persuaded to change their minds. Until then, crystal ball gazing and opinions have no real sway (imho obviously).

 

[robinthehood]

The question has been answered in great detail, you however seem unable to absorb the data and keep reiterating the question. It becomes very difficult not to question your ability to comprehend information and partake in reasoned debate.

Rinse and repeat as ever.

 

[IanM]

If you really can tell us The Facts and back them up, some leavers might be persuaded to change their minds. Until then, crystal ball gazing and opinions have no real sway (imho obviously).

Forget speculation from either side of the economic implications of in or out...we’ve got over 3000 posts of that....Given the absolute clarity of recent speeches by EU Leadership on the route the EU will be taking, maybe some comment by the Remainers on here is due, about why we need to abandon our sovereignty in favour of being in a fully Federal Europe.

 

[Slime]

This is like going back to school.
Sometimes I'm in the classroom, sometimes I'm in the playground.
Magnificent performance everyone.

 

[harpo_72]

For you personally or for the general population? And would you accept that as an answer from a Leaver? If they had answered your question on the benefits of leaving the EU with "life will be good......stuff will happen, things will be available and affordable" would you have been happy with that as an answer?

No because they need to expand on the changes and how it will affect affordability of every day items and will the shops offer us a diverse selection we have ... the answer is high level because we know our situation, but we can go deeper and that has been already done. We have talked about the manufacture of components in other states and them then being transported to the UK for assembly, we have mentioned open border policies freedom for transportation etc... if you missed that then you have your blinkers on. The leavers have not even decided what they want as the final outcome.

 

[Tashyboy]

I have followed this thread for an age, and I don't understand how the blind trolls still keep getting fed.

 

[MegaSteve]

No because they need to expand on the changes and how it will affect affordability of every day items and will the shops offer us a diverse selection we have ... the answer is high level because we know our situation, but we can go deeper and that has been already done. We have talked about the manufacture of components in other states and them then being transported to the UK for assembly, we have mentioned open border policies freedom for transportation etc... if you missed that then you have your blinkers on. The leavers have not even decided what they want as the final outcome.

Guessing you weren't paying attention when it was posted that there are already several manufacturers using components supplied from outside the EU for their manufacturing processes without issue... Should we leave if there is any disruption in supply to components from within the EU then it will only be because Brussels decree it to teach us a lesson...

 

[SocketRocket]

No because they need to expand on the changes and how it will affect affordability of every day items and will the shops offer us a diverse selection we have ... the answer is high level because we know our situation, but we can go deeper and that has been already done. We have talked about the manufacture of components in other states and them then being transported to the UK for assembly, we have mentioned open border policies freedom for transportation etc... if you missed that then you have your blinkers on. The leavers have not even decided what they want as the final outcome.

Blinkers! thats rich comng from you. Your poor understanding of how components are manufactured and used was exposed as naive and ignorant. You are also basing everything on the supposition that we will not be capable of organising systems to create frictionless customs for trusted suppliers or have any kind of free trade with the EU. Its been explained to you many times that there would be some initial bumps in the road but please drop this armageddon rubbish.

 

[Foxholer]

Have you got any evidence of this? I can find an article, dated Nov 18th, in The Guardian which states a lobby group have compiled a report that this will happen. Strange that the lobby group are pro-Remain. And amongst all the articles I looked at I find that Goldman Sachs has confirmed a £1.2bn investment in the UK.

Instead of your usual soundbites why not actually post up some links in support of your case. You decry others for not providing any evidence yet all we see from you is hot air. Back it up, preferably with something more than more soundbites of what might happen. How about xxxx bank announces it is moving? Not might move but is moving in its entirety.
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Er... Do these qualify? Purely from a 'let's see the facts' POV btw. And the outward numbers dwarf GS's 'inward', though welcome, investment!

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...ssets-transferred-due-to-brexit-idUKKCN1NY0VV

https://citywire.co.uk/funds-inside...d-groups-are-sending-billions-abroad/a1124217
https://citywire.co.uk/funds-inside...rexit-transfer/a1120218?section=funds-insider
https://citywire.co.uk/funds-inside...sets-out-of-uk/a1118048?section=funds-insider