Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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SocketRocket said:
OK, how about control of our Borders, Money, Laws, Trade, Fishing and destiny. I can guess your reply will be negative on all these as that seems to be your makeup. If you are concerned about your family then can you guarantee that a future in the EU will be the best way forward for them and if so then show the benefits and why becoming an independent country will be bad for them. Also regarding business, do you run your own business, do you employ people, what aspectects of your business will be worse off and why, will you have new opportunities outside the EU and will you be able to embrace the changes necessary to take advantage of opportunities. OR as I suspect you have a closed mind and have not bothered to look beyond your blinkers. The EU does not guarantee a market for you, your products and services must be good enough to attract sales, that's always been the way it works. Don't bother replying if its just to say 'what will Brexit do for me' the answer to that is nothing, the more relevant point is 'What can you do for Brexit'
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Are you happy with the current uk system and the people running it?
If so then you will be happy witheir negotiations.. your advocating that these people I.e the current government should have more power ? Really ? This bunch are corrupt.
Your also opening us up to having really poor areas that won’t get financial support because the money will only go to areas that voted for the ruling government unlike the Erasmus projects .. oops did I mention something positive about the EU .. 🤪
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And even if people voted to stay in tbe EU they aren’t going to want the UK to fail on its own - posting suggestions as such does nothing but add ill feeling and look like point scoring.
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I do believe some despise the idea of the UK leaving the EU so much they hope Brexit will be a disaster. If you dont agree then thats your perogative,
 
harpo_72 said:
Are you happy with the current uk system and the people running it?
If so then you will be happy witheir negotiations.. your advocating that these people I.e the current government should have more power ? Really ? This bunch are corrupt.
Your also opening us up to having really poor areas that won’t get financial support because the money will only go to areas that voted for the ruling government unlike the Erasmus projects .. oops did I mention something positive about the EU .. 🤪
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I was asking someone else a question but as you seem to want to jump in I can only say that your post makes no sense to me, its nothing to do with what I posted. Are you a little confused. You certainly are very confused who gives financial support or funds research projects in the UK. This may surprise you but the UK is a net EU contributor and as such gets no funding, we pay for ourselves.
 
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Mudball said:
Interesting story (not from BBC though)

https://apple.news/AWsIL1G9nTzedXwoMh0mylw
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Is it. First they dont understand what ingredients go into a cornish pasty, they are complaining about the supply of cheap foreign labour as if that's a benefit to cornish people and they seem to have missed the news that net immigration went up and the number of people available to work is higher than ever.
 
Stuart_C said:
More desperate measures from the Tory government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984

I wonder whose Tory MP/ Donor/Husband or Wife owns that company??
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Is it, or is it a poorly researched article by the BBC?

What is Seabourne's global footprint, and just what do they do? How long have they been doing it, and what experience do they have of shipping within the EU and outside the EU?

What is their record on on charitable work? What community work do they do? What links do they have with the Tory party?
 
Hobbit said:
Is it, or is it a poorly researched article by the BBC?

What is Seabourne's global footprint, and just what do they do? How long have they been doing it, and what experience do they have of shipping within the EU and outside the EU?

What is their record on on charitable work? What community work do they do? What links do they have with the Tory party?
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The firm has never run a ferry service and doesn’t own a vessel.

The government said it had awarded the contract in "the full knowledge that Seaborne is a new shipping provider".

"As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.

As for links to the Tory party, nobody knows because the owners of said company haven’t been disclosed.

It smells very very fishy. After this Tory government handed out contracts to failing businesses like Carillion, any contracts being handed out to new and unknown companies should rightly be dissected.
 
Seaborne have been shipping within the EU and outside the EU for over 50 years. The size of their business, and the size of some of their projects/loads is impressive. Their experience of documentation/customs & dangerous goods is huge. Their expertise in this area will be paramount going forwards. They have offices around the world, including in the case of Brexit in France, The Netherlands, Germany. Their Rotterdam and Eindoven complexes aren't small.

The guy who set the company up was Clive Bourne, later to become a Sir. He received the Sir bit for the massive amount of charity work, and it is massive, he did.

They haven't ran a ferry fleet, always subbing out their bigger loads.

I've used them for dangerous loads, both within the EU and further afield to the 'Stans. Doesn't smell fishy to me. They will be a very small player in running ferries, and Ramsgate will be more of an overflow to reduce congestion around Dover.

Its a non-story blown all out of proportion. Sounds more like whoever didn't win is stirring the.......
 
Stuart_C said:
The firm has never run a ferry service and doesn’t own a vessel.

The government said it had awarded the contract in "the full knowledge that Seaborne is a new shipping provider".

"As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.

As for links to the Tory party, nobody knows because the owners of said company haven’t been disclosed.

It smells very very fishy. After this Tory government handed out contracts to failing businesses like Carillion, any contracts being handed out to new and unknown companies should rightly be dissected.
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The directors are named on the Companies House website. I've no idea if any of them are "connected" or not.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10709921/officers
 
Stuart_C said:
The firm has never run a ferry service and doesn’t own a vessel.

The government said it had awarded the contract in "the full knowledge that Seaborne is a new shipping provider".

"As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.

As for links to the Tory party, nobody knows because the owners of said company haven’t been disclosed.

It smells very very fishy. After this Tory government handed out contracts to failing businesses like Carillion, any contracts being handed out to new and unknown companies should rightly be dissected.
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Carillion were not always a failing company, they were originally part of Tarmac. You seem rather paranoid regarding the Tories, have Labour administrations never given out contracts to organisations that have failed.
 
Hobbit said:
Seaborne have been shipping within the EU and outside the EU for over 50 years. The size of their business, and the size of some of their projects/loads is impressive. Their experience of documentation/customs & dangerous goods is huge. Their expertise in this area will be paramount going forwards. They have offices around the world, including in the case of Brexit in France, The Netherlands, Germany. Their Rotterdam and Eindoven complexes aren't small.

The guy who set the company up was Clive Bourne, later to become a Sir. He received the Sir bit for the massive amount of charity work, and it is massive, he did.

They haven't ran a ferry fleet, always subbing out their bigger loads.

I've used them for dangerous loads, both within the EU and further afield to the 'Stans. Doesn't smell fishy to me. They will be a very small player in running ferries, and Ramsgate will be more of an overflow to reduce congestion around Dover.

Its a non-story blown all out of proportion. Sounds more like whoever didn't win is stirring the.......
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Aye it certainly does now.
 
SocketRocket said:
Carillion were not always a failing company, they were originally part of Tarmac. You seem rather paranoid regarding the Tories, have Labour administrations never given out contracts to organisations that have failed.
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Seeing as we’ve currently got a brand new hospital that’s going to end up nearly 3 years behind schedule, half finished with foundation problems, sitting in our city whilst our main hospital is a dilapidated not fit for purpose unit, you’re right I don’t trust them.
 
Stuart_C said:
Seeing as we’ve currently got a brand new hospital that’s going to end up nearly 3 years behind schedule, half finished with foundation problems, sitting in our city whilst our main hospital is a dilapidated not fit for purpose unit, you’re right I don’t trust them.
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Working with Carillion on that hospital was an absolute nightmare. Their project managers were a disgrace. I could tell you stories that would make your toes curl... and the cost to the Trust and the sub-contract companies.
 
Hobbit said:
Working with Carillion on that hospital was an absolute nightmare. Their project managers were a disgrace. I could tell you stories that would make your toes curl... and the cost to the Trust and the sub-contract companies.
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Nothing would surprise me with that lot.

They’ve sent many of small local businesses down. I know the electrical firm where owed over £150k and it sent them down. I heard another subbie was owed £2m.

Going from 60 day payment terms to 120days overnight etc.

Horrible gang of mercenaries

It might not sound a lot of money in the grand scheme of things but 1000’s of people have been affected by their greed.

Don’t forget Carillion weren’t the 1st choice contractors for that job.
 
SocketRocket said:
I was asking someone else a question but as you seem to want to jump in I can only say that your post makes no sense to me, its nothing to do with what I posted. Are you a little confused. You certainly are very confused who gives financial support or funds research projects in the UK. This may surprise you but the UK is a net EU contributor and as such gets no funding, we pay for ourselves.
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I am aware of where the money originated from, the point is it is dispersed in a manner not influenced by local politics....
So what are the actual benefits of leaving ... the facts please.
 
Hobbit said:
Seaborne have been shipping within the EU and outside the EU for over 50 years. The size of their business, and the size of some of their projects/loads is impressive. Their experience of documentation/customs & dangerous goods is huge. Their expertise in this area will be paramount going forwards. They have offices around the world, including in the case of Brexit in France, The Netherlands, Germany. Their Rotterdam and Eindoven complexes aren't small.

The guy who set the company up was Clive Bourne, later to become a Sir. He received the Sir bit for the massive amount of charity work, and it is massive, he did.

They haven't ran a ferry fleet, always subbing out their bigger loads.

I've used them for dangerous loads, both within the EU and further afield to the 'Stans. Doesn't smell fishy to me. They will be a very small player in running ferries, and Ramsgate will be more of an overflow to reduce congestion around Dover.

Its a non-story blown all out of proportion. Sounds more like whoever didn't win is stirring the.......
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Poo 👍
 
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