Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[robinthehood]

Because all you offer is a “better hoover” as a response to people who are trying to have a serious discussion about something that will affect us all. Try having a reasonable discussion, say with Hobbit and the little personal digs might stop.

My last word.
Google what are the benefits of leaving the EU.
2nd article states light bulbs, vacuums and blue passports among other assorted nonsense.
Like I said .
Good luck

 

[Hobbit]

Nah I'm out. It's pretty evident you boys have nothing other than the same old rehashed crap.
Good luck with it all.

That's a shame, but not unexpected.

 

[Tashyboy]

My last word.
Google what are the benefits of leaving the EU.
2nd article states light bulbs, vacuums and blue passports among other assorted nonsense.
Like I said .
Good luck

So you dont see the irony of quoting something that no one on here has said. No brexiteer has said. But Google has pointed out. Hmmm thats a strong arguement.

 

[Hobbit]

So you dont see the irony of quoting something that no one on here has said. No brexiteer has said. But Google has pointed out. Hmmm thats a strong arguement.

I've Googled it, as he suggested. I tried various wordings and, surprise surprise, I got sensible articles from both sides of the debate. No mention of light bulbs or vacuum cleaners. "Methinks he doth protest too much." Or the modern version, "pants on fire."

 

[ColchesterFC]

I've Googled it, as he suggested. I tried various wordings and, surprise surprise, I got sensible articles from both sides of the debate. No mention of light bulbs or vacuum cleaners. "Methinks he doth protest too much." Or the modern version, "pants on fire."

To be fair to him, if you highlight "what are the benefits of leaving the EU" in his post, right click and search google the second article that I got was this one.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/20-reasons-you-should-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

which does indeed mention "light bulbs, vacuums and blue passports".

 

[Deleted member 15344]

To be fair to him, if you highlight "what are the benefits of leaving the EU" in his post, right click and search google the second article that I got was this one.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/20-reasons-you-should-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

which does indeed mention "light bulbs, vacuums and blue passports".

Blimey I can’t be someone actually published that

 

[Hobbit]

To be fair to him, if you highlight "what are the benefits of leaving the EU" in his post, right click and search google the second article that I got was this one.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/20-reasons-you-should-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

which does indeed mention "light bulbs, vacuums and blue passports".

Fair play. It also mentions some decent stuff too, but he failed to mention that... wonder why....

 

[ColchesterFC]

Fair play. It also mentions some decent stuff too, but he failed to mention that... wonder why....

I think that we both (and in fact all) know why he failed to mention it. He's firmly in the SiLH bracket of Remainers who are completely blind to anything that could be considered a positive for Brexit or a negative for the EU.

 

[robinthehood]

I think that we both (and in fact all) know why he failed to mention it. He's firmly in the SiLH bracket of Remainers who are completely blind to anything that could be considered a positive for Brexit or a negative for the EU.

I'm not in anyone's bracket. I voted to stay but that's not happening so we're going to have to embrace whatever comes and try to make some sort of success from it
The reality is we are in a total mess and Cameron et al have simply succeeded in dividing a nation.
I'm not particularly pro EU , I just want what's best for my family and business, sounds selfish but c'est la vie

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm not in anyone's bracket. I voted to stay but that's not happening so we're going to have to embrace whatever comes and try to make some sort of success from it
The reality is we are in a total mess and Cameron et al have simply succeeded in dividing a nation.
I'm not particularly pro EU , I just want what's best for my family and business, sounds selfish but c'est la vie

As you keep asking others what are the benefits of leaving the EU, what are the benefits of being in the EU?

 

[Tashyboy]

I'm not in anyone's bracket. I voted to stay but that's not happening so we're going to have to embrace whatever comes and try to make some sort of success from it
The reality is we are in a total mess and Cameron et al have simply succeeded in dividing a nation.
I'm not particularly pro EU , I just want what's best for my family and business, sounds selfish but c'est la vie

You see, that is the best post you have put on this thread. Every sentance I agree with you. I am not in anyone's bracket. I voted Leave and can see it being crap before it gets better, and as a country we have to all muck in and make some success from the *** soup that Cameron and others have left us in. It is not selfish to want what's best for me, my family. But,
What I will say is that whether we left or stayed. The politicians, the ones that created this split country will not suffer one bit like Joe Public will do.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm not in anyone's bracket. I voted to stay but that's not happening so we're going to have to embrace whatever comes and try to make some sort of success from it
The reality is we are in a total mess and Cameron et al have simply succeeded in dividing a nation.
I'm not particularly pro EU , I just want what's best for my family and business, sounds selfish but c'est la vie

OK, how about control of our Borders, Money, Laws, Trade, Fishing and destiny. I can guess your reply will be negative on all these as that seems to be your makeup. If you are concerned about your family then can you guarantee that a future in the EU will be the best way forward for them and if so then show the benefits and why becoming an independent country will be bad for them. Also regarding business, do you run your own business, do you employ people, what aspectects of your business will be worse off and why, will you have new opportunities outside the EU and will you be able to embrace the changes necessary to take advantage of opportunities. OR as I suspect you have a closed mind and have not bothered to look beyond your blinkers. The EU does not guarantee a market for you, your products and services must be good enough to attract sales, that's always been the way it works. Don't bother replying if its just to say 'what will Brexit do for me' the answer to that is nothing, the more relevant point is 'What can you do for Brexit'

 

[Blue in Munich]

You see, that is the best post you have put on this thread. Every sentance I agree with you. I am not in anyone's bracket. I voted Leave and can see it being crap before it gets better, and as a country we have to all muck in and make some success from the *** soup that Cameron and others have left us in. It is not selfish to want what's best for me, my family. But,
What I will say is that whether we left or stayed. The politicians, the ones that created this split country will not suffer one bit like Joe Public will do.

I too voted Leave and can also see it getting worse before it gets better, but not as bad as it will be when we are one of the 4 net contributors who will be left to pick up the pieces and the bill when the whole sorry circus eventually disappears up its own backside. Just one of many potential benefits in getting out for me.

 

[Papas1982]

To most Brexiteers, trade is the only reason for being in the EU. However you have to understand that others actually consider federalism, currency, EU laws and courts, EU parliament and commission, UK contribution, FOM, unchecked immigration etc etc all good things and are reasons in themselves for being in the EU.


As far as I am aware, the CE mark is applied to products indicating conformity with EU standards on environment, health & safety etc. Not all products sold or imported into the EU have to carry it. I don’t see why such products that do carry the mark should have it withdrawn because they are made in the UK and the UK has left.

The main issue with WTO is on the face of it, duty. Usually 6.5% but can be changed product by product by the importing country. However, as we have seen with the US and China, if one starts increasing the tariffs the other one will too. In a free trade deal like we have with the EU as members now, there is no duty.

In truth, the main problem with not having a free trade deal is customs and the delivery delay it causes. This is why an openish goods border with goods cleared on delivery at the consignees premises is being touted.

Who’s touting that? As far as I’m aware government aren’t considering that at all. All the politicians that have been in Dover and spoken to customs agents and freight forwarders have expressed their opinion that it will all clear as it currently does.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I too voted Leave and can also see it getting worse before it gets better, but not as bad as it will be when we are one of the 4 net contributors who will be left to pick up the pieces and the bill when the whole sorry circus eventually disappears up its own backside. Just one of many potential benefits in getting out for me.

Out of interest how bad do you personally expect it to get and how long do you think it will take before it gets better.

 

[Tashyboy]

For me it is “ how long is a piece of string” to both questions.

 

[MegaSteve]

For me it is “ how long is a piece of string” to both questions.

Well, for me, we've been on a downward spiral since signing on the dotted line in '75... Staying in would only see that continue... With leaving, I believe, we'll have a far better chance of reversing that trend... Will require some changed attitudes but not beyond our grasp....

 

[Tashyboy]

Well, for me, we've been on a downward spiral since signing on the dotted line in '75... Staying in would only see that continue... With leaving, I believe, we'll have a far better chance of reversing that trend... Will require some changed attitudes but not beyond our grasp....

I should of added it is a piece of string i am quite happy to keep hold of 👍

 

[SocketRocket]

I get the impression that some would prefer the UK to fail rather than Brexit be a success.

 

[SocketRocket]

I very much doubt that but i suppose that could be countered with the impression some want the EU to fail if the UK stayed in or had a deal

Not me though. I hope the EU does well, I have many friends and colleagues in the Eu and hope they prosper, just like I wish my own people to.