SocketRocket
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I saw one.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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I saw one.
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User62651
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Newsflash - People camped in Calais illegally trying to get on trucks to UK are not EU migrants so not really relevant to this thread. EU or no EU they'd be there, Italy and Greece have to deal with far far worse than we do in terms of illegal immigrants.
robinthehood
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You understand that we are still in the EU ..That low employment was achieved while part of the EU. All I get from brexit fans are sound bites about taking back control, independence, 350 million a week etc..
..really all I see in here are people howling at the moon.
Blue in Munich
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Newsflash; they are either asylum seekers or economic migrants, which as I understand it, means that France has a duty to deal with them either as asylum seekers if that is their country of entry or potentially as illegal immigrants. The French method appears to be to ignore their responsibilities and see how many they can shove across the Channel to their mates in Blighty. Still, we're all in it together as equal partners, aren't we...
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Newsflash; they are either asylum seekers or economic migrants, which as I understand it, means that France has a duty to deal with them either as asylum seekers if that is their country of entry or potentially as illegal immigrants. The French method appears to be to ignore their responsibilities and see how many they can shove across the Channel to their mates in Blighty. Still, we're all in it together as equal partners, aren't we...
Well the French bulldozed the old camps and their people have all the hassle of it, you make it sound like they're loading them onto trucks for the UK, they're not. Migrants from middle east and north africa are not here because of the EU, but no surprise Brexiteers claim they are.
drdel
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BUT - The EU 'rules' are that non-EU migrants are to be dealt with by the country of entry. Thus by deduction these people are not being dealt with by the member state by which they entered and are being aided by France. Organised crime syndicates are exploiting the 'pass-the-buck attitude of France and others: these people who are mostly economic migrants, often young able-bodied men would otherwise not find the transport facilities available.
Perhaps were the EU to sensibly manage and truthfully address the issue the 'Brexit' vote may have been closer/different.
SocketRocket
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Try to imagine these people in the UK trying to get to France. Do you think for one minute we would leave them camped out. If we did there would be howls of complaint that we were treating them like animals and it would be the hand wringing liberals on this site at the forefront. The French are despicable in this regard and it's incredible that they are being defended by you
There's a bit of irony in your post. You are right, the migrants are not here because of the EU, they want the British benefits system, not the French one. Have a read of what the Sudanese and Ethiopians say about free housing in the UK.
The Dublin Treaty, now on version 3, fails miserably. The French know full well that those in the camps are there illegally but do they process them? No. But what does the UK do about the illegals in France? Well, for a start they've contributed millions to help France deal with the issue. They've also sent Immigration officers to France to help them deal with the problem. And guess what, the UK sends millions to Turkey to help processing immigrants. The UK doesn't abdicate its responsibilities, although they haven't taken up their full quota of immigrants. Shock! Only Germany and Sweden are on track to do that.
Germany wants version 4 of the Dublin Treaty, putting an end to asylum seekers must apply for asylum in the first country they arrive in. They want them shared around the EU. That isn't going down well with Eastern Europe, especially Hungary. Have a read of how the EU fiddled the votes against Hungary by not counting the abstentions in the calculation, as they are supposed to do. EU fiddling the rules to suit - sounds like Italy's budget getting refused but France's getting passed, even though it is worse than Italy's.
As for "no surprise Brexiteers claim they are..." Do ALL Brexiteers claim that or SOME Brexiteers claim that? Are you guilty of the typical generalisations many Remainers make? Looks like you are.
Slime
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Well, look a bit deeper.
Also, I think taking back control is a very strong and valid argument ............................. don't you?
Blue in Munich
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They might as well be; they don't want the responsibility of dealing with them as they should so they leave them to carry on their journey. Are you claiming that they are doing what they should be doing then?
robinthehood
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I've looked and all that I can find is stuff about how we can get blue passports, powerful vacuum cleaners and old style light bulbs! Please show me that there is more .
Slime
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I would, but you'd never see anything through your black-out blinkers.
SocketRocket
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Ive read some rubbish on here but thats right up there with the best. Its pointless responding to your questions as you ignore the replies and then repeat them all over again.
SocketRocket
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Couldn't put it better myself. Well put Sheila.
robinthehood
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What replies?
You see that's all I ever get. You have nothing and offer nothing .
2 posters in succession with nothing to offer except insults , not even the smallest crumb in support of leaving the EU
bobmac
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Have you got any evidence of this? I can find an article, dated Nov 18th, in The Guardian which states a lobby group have compiled a report that this will happen. Strange that the lobby group are pro-Remain. And amongst all the articles I looked at I find that Goldman Sachs has confirmed a £1.2bn investment in the UK.
Instead of your usual soundbites why not actually post up some links in support of your case. You decry others for not providing any evidence yet all we see from you is hot air. Back it up, preferably with something more than more soundbites of what might happen. How about xxxx bank announces it is moving? Not might move but is moving in its entirety.
On the issue of "Equivalence," which you said I should research. How about providing some evidence of what the EU's ideas of equivalence are, and instead of shouting off that its flawed, show its flawed.
Slime
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robinthehood
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Nah I'm out. It's pretty evident you boys have nothing other than the same old rehashed crap.
Good luck with it all.
Tashyboy
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Because all you offer is a “better hoover†as a response to people who are trying to have a serious discussion about something that will affect us all. Try having a reasonable discussion, say with Hobbit and the little personal digs might stop.
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