USER1999
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You do realise that if we leave with 'no deal', we can still make a deal, if we and the EU want to, at any stage in the future?
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Of course I realise that. And I know that we most probably would. But that would be some time after we had left - with all ties with the EU cut, and all deals and arrangements that we have in place through the auspices of the EU made null and void - ended.
And so the government is telling us what that life might look like before we have replacement arrangements in place - or do you not believe him and it is all going to be just OK - regardless of what the FACTS of No Deal mean and the implications of all the governments No Deal analysis tells us.
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Mudball
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Ahh.. so we have the 'no deal advice'... just more Project Fear .. Remember as Rudy Giuliani says.. the truth is not the truth...
... Keep Calm and Remoan...
... Keep Calm and Remoan...
Slime
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I really can't believe that deals aren't being brokered as we speak.
I'm sure many businesses are ahead of the eight ball and are working on contingency plans right now, and probably have been doing so for months.
Multi nationals may do because they have the capability to move production around the world. Major mfrs may have plans for the weeks immediately leading up to the deadline day. For the rest it is still largely a wait and see situation. After that it becomes a 'roll up your sleeves and get on with it' job. If you import raw materials from Europe because that is the only source then there is little you can do other than build up stocks to make sure you have enough to see you through any initial mayhem.
The logical planning for my company would be to set up the possible moving of our company, lock stock and barrel, to a new location in Holland or equivalent. Do I do that on the off chance of a no deal? Set up premises, get the removal firm on stand by, have a new house to rent ready, have school places ready, have staff trained and ready, all on the off chance a no deal happens but if it doesn't then thanks but we don't need any of it? No, we sit and wait.
I will stockpile my raw materials though, and encourage customers to take in orders early if it means beating any possible log jam at the ports. Any problems will be there.
Doon frae Troon
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'ahead of the 8 ball'.
At the end of the day, going forward, what on earth does that mean.
MegaSteve
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There was a girl from our space agency on the box this week...
She was there to talk about our latest satellite launch...
Dan asked her about funding post B****t to which she replied something along the lines of...
I am here to talk science not politics...
Well done young lady...
She was there to talk about our latest satellite launch...
Dan asked her about funding post B****t to which she replied something along the lines of...
I am here to talk science not politics...
Well done young lady...
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well if you listen to Liam Fox being asked about the deals on the table then there aren't that many. He tells us that everyone wants a deal with us - well whoop-dee-doop - indeed they might - and they might be looking forward to a much better deal with us than they get via the EU.
Anyway - let's see
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/9...rade-talks-revealed-non-EU-countries-Liam-Fox
I am sure businesses are putting contingency plans in place for a No Deal. But I suspect that many will be asking why they didn't have this No Deal impact assessment 18months ago to help them budget, plan and implement. Nothing has changed in respect of what No Deal will mean, but I guess the government didn't want to expose us to the potential risks - aka The Truth
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Ah - you will be told by some - you are being suckered by Project Fear...
And you'll be told by others that the end of the world is niegh
Mudball
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Someone told me that many farmers voted to Leave; so why is the Farmers Union crying fowl that they need help and how they will lose out because of Brexit. Surely you reap what you sow..
SocketRocket
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You are so despotic it's almost unbelievable.Ah - you will be told by some - you are being suckered by Project Fear...
The management of the Brexit process by the current government is farsical in the extreme. Government? What government? A disjointed group, sorry not a group. A bunch of individuals who don’t have a clue how to portray a united front.
Dominic Rabb said there’d be not much more than a ripple in the economy, and Liam Fox announces a £240million trade deal with China.
Philip Hammond then torpedoes both with dire economic claims. Those numbers are worse than Mark Carney had previously said wouldn’t happen.
Project Fear; to have credibility you have to make credible statements. Apparently the movement of medicines will come to a dead stop. Medicines must be stock piled. Let’s view those comments with some intelligence. The EU imports 45 million packets of medicine from the UK every year, and the UK imports 37 million packets of medicine from the EU.
Two things immediately spring to mind. 1) the UK government has said it will not block the importation of medicines already approved. That means the 37 million medicines already imported will continue to move seamlessly across the border. So why stockpile? 2) will the EU really stop/delay the importation of 45 million packets of medicine, medicine that already pass EU manufacturing regs, and are already approved for use in the EU? Will the EU really put lives at risk?
Without a doubt there will be issues around the lack of deals in some trading areas but the blanket hysteria (Project Fear) across areas were it is patently obvious both parties want an agreement, e.g. fisheries, beggars belief.
And I do wonder why supposedly intelligent people trot out or believe some of this rubbish. I guess it suits their agenda to peddle it as facts.
Dominic Rabb said there’d be not much more than a ripple in the economy, and Liam Fox announces a £240million trade deal with China.
Philip Hammond then torpedoes both with dire economic claims. Those numbers are worse than Mark Carney had previously said wouldn’t happen.
Project Fear; to have credibility you have to make credible statements. Apparently the movement of medicines will come to a dead stop. Medicines must be stock piled. Let’s view those comments with some intelligence. The EU imports 45 million packets of medicine from the UK every year, and the UK imports 37 million packets of medicine from the EU.
Two things immediately spring to mind. 1) the UK government has said it will not block the importation of medicines already approved. That means the 37 million medicines already imported will continue to move seamlessly across the border. So why stockpile? 2) will the EU really stop/delay the importation of 45 million packets of medicine, medicine that already pass EU manufacturing regs, and are already approved for use in the EU? Will the EU really put lives at risk?
Without a doubt there will be issues around the lack of deals in some trading areas but the blanket hysteria (Project Fear) across areas were it is patently obvious both parties want an agreement, e.g. fisheries, beggars belief.
And I do wonder why supposedly intelligent people trot out or believe some of this rubbish. I guess it suits their agenda to peddle it as facts.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And so we have proponents of Leave saying about Raab's initial set of No Deal impact assessment/predictions 'is that it? Is that all? Load of rubbish all the dire warnings . And immediately they follow up commenting on Hammonds's Treasury No Deal impact assessment/predictions with 'what a load of rubbish'
Handy that we can gleefully accept one set of government No Deal impact assessment/predictions and reject another.
I might accept both. I might reject both. But Cake and Eat It?
Handy that we can gleefully accept one set of government No Deal impact assessment/predictions and reject another.
I might accept both. I might reject both. But Cake and Eat It?
They are getting their claim for grants in early. The farmers will get roughed up over this long term, EU farming subsidies are protected by the French and Italians in particular meaning they were never going to be reduced, now we will be out the govt will start to cut them. Not next year or the year after but over time the numbers will be reduced. The money some have them have been scoring for years in grants has been obscene and they should be reduced and subsidies will be altered so that farmers receive them for things that suit the country, not just them. Any system where Prince Charles gets millions in subsidies every year has to be wrong.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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My cousin is a crofter in the western isles. The sort of 3rd hand tractor that he needs and that he has cost him £25,000. He does not have that money - and nowhere near it - it comes from an EU grant. Without the grant he does not buy a tractor - a farmer without a tractor no longer farms - and an island community dies. Just hope that Westminster government is aware of this.
This is part of the discussion that will need to be had. Ultimately, should your cousin be treated as a business or a custodian of the land? If a business then he either makes enough money to buy his tractor or he doesn't, his farm folds, he has to get another job. That is what every one else on the island will have to do I suspect. However, if his work protects the environment on the island then he may be able to justify a subsidy. Incidentally, I suspect whether your cousin continues to get a subsidy will probably be down to the Scottish parliament post Brexit, not Westminster.
The govt does not give my firm a subsidy in order to help my business and the people I employ, why should it help farmers who continue to make losses? As I say, it is a discussion that will need to be had.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Loving the caller into Tom Swarbrick on LBC this morning. Previously an advisor to Mrs May he is a Remainer but committed to delivering the outcome of the referendum in the most painless way possible for the country - and so he is very anti No-Deal. He views it as being a terrible outcome.
And so 'Mary' called in. So Mary - let's just assume that No-Deal is very damaging to the UK and very damaging to every country in the EU - would you see No-Deal as a good thing. asks Tom. YES replies Mary. Oh dear - despairs Tom.
This beaut was followed up immediately by a guy who has decided that NI is holding England to ransom and it is NI that will stop a Canada +++ deal (whatever the heck that is). And caller's solution? NI gets a referendum on whether it wants to become independent or join the Republic. Get rid of NI - it's not really part of the United Kingdom - he says. Just a millstone around England's neck. Do you not think Scotland would then want such a vote? asks Tom? Give them one - in fact if English voters had had the vote in Indyref1 then England would have voted Scotland to leave the UK - and that would have been good for the Scots - and good for England.
I love the views of so many Leave voters who phone in to LBC. They are just great. But it's hard to not be condescending when your are actually depairing.
And so 'Mary' called in. So Mary - let's just assume that No-Deal is very damaging to the UK and very damaging to every country in the EU - would you see No-Deal as a good thing. asks Tom. YES replies Mary. Oh dear - despairs Tom.
This beaut was followed up immediately by a guy who has decided that NI is holding England to ransom and it is NI that will stop a Canada +++ deal (whatever the heck that is). And caller's solution? NI gets a referendum on whether it wants to become independent or join the Republic. Get rid of NI - it's not really part of the United Kingdom - he says. Just a millstone around England's neck. Do you not think Scotland would then want such a vote? asks Tom? Give them one - in fact if English voters had had the vote in Indyref1 then England would have voted Scotland to leave the UK - and that would have been good for the Scots - and good for England.
I love the views of so many Leave voters who phone in to LBC. They are just great. But it's hard to not be condescending when your are actually depairing.
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I don't accept Hammond's assessment for one main reason. The numbers used in that assessment were poo-poo'd by Mark Carney weeks ago. Nothing to do with Leave or Remain, its about credibility. If Mark Carney had said them I'd be more inclined to believe there's some substance in them. Hammond has been an extreme disciple of Remain since whenever, just like Johnson on the Leave side. Neither of them are honest brokers.
Mudball
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Nothing changed much in 2 years.. some of the Brexiteers don’t know what’s happening (via twitter)
>>Gavin Esler (@gavinesler)
If this were not so sad it would be funny. Arch Brexiteer â¦â€ª@isaby‬⩠doesn’t understand the difference between import and export tariffs. After two years the Brexit Bunch don’t have a clue. Have a listen.
https://m.soundcloud.com/bbcradiokent/nodealbrexit-heated-debate
>>Gavin Esler (@gavinesler)
If this were not so sad it would be funny. Arch Brexiteer â¦â€ª@isaby‬⩠doesn’t understand the difference between import and export tariffs. After two years the Brexit Bunch don’t have a clue. Have a listen.
https://m.soundcloud.com/bbcradiokent/nodealbrexit-heated-debate
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