Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[bluewolf]

OK hang on......I'll be right back..........................

If you don't mind I'm going to enjoy a nice glass of Malbec while I wait

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

If you don't mind I'm going to enjoy a nice case of Malbec while I wait

Fixed for you Danny :thup:

 

[bluewolf]

Fixed for you Danny :thup:

You know me too well mate.

Are you going to Fish's golf do? Would be good to catch up :thup:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

You know me too well mate.

Are you going to Fish's golf do? Would be good to catch up :thup:

Certainly am, staying over on Thursday night. You bring the malbec, I'll bring the glasses :thup:

 

[Hobbit]

And in other news, the Leave Campaign would appear to have broken spending rules and overspent by £600k (IIRC

And Cameron spent £9m immediately before the campaign started, leafleting every household but got away with it because it was before the official start date.

Pots and kettles

 

[bluewolf]

And Cameron spent £9m immediately before the campaign started, leafleting every household but got away with it because it was before the official start date.

Pots and kettles

And it was described as an answer to the significant percentage of the British population who had asked for more information regarding the EU. Whatever your (or my) thoughts on the validity of that, what cannot be disputed is that the Leave campaign have been found to have significantly overspent in the days leading up to the election. What makes it even more interesting is what they chose to spend that money on...

 

[bluewolf]

Certainly am, staying over on Thursday night. You bring the malbec, I'll bring the glasses :thup:

Ah, I'm staying over on the Friday. More Malbec for me

 

[Hobbit]

And it was described as an answer to the significant percentage of the British population who had asked for more information regarding the EU. Whatever your (or my) thoughts on the validity of that, what cannot be disputed is that the Leave campaign have been found to have significantly overspent in the days leading up to the election. What makes it even more interesting is what they chose to spend that money on...

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that Leave shouldn’t have done what they did I do think it’s naive to say it was ok for Cameron to, in effect, do the same. Both sides were ‘educating’ the voters.

 

[SocketRocket]

Same'ol comments by the same'ol posters.

Anyway, in relatively new news. Most political commentators are now stating that it's either going to be a hard Brexit or none at all. The amendments tabled by the ERG have effectively destroyed May's white paper. May has tabled a motion asking for the Summer break to be brought forward (which would possibly save her from being removed).

And in other news, the Leave Campaign would appear to have broken spending rules and overspent by £600k (IIRC).

Interesting times. Would this be time to remind people that a Government agency claimed that 2.7m jobs would be at risk from a hard Brexit?

Please can you remind me if you voted 'leave' or 'Remain'

 

[bluewolf]

Please can you remind me if you voted 'leave' or 'Remain'

Why?

You know which way I voted. Seems like quite a waste of time really.

Would it change any of the things currently happening?

 

[bluewolf]

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that Leave shouldn’t have done what they did I do think it’s naive to say it was ok for Cameron to, in effect, do the same. Both sides were ‘educating’ the voters.

It may be a mere (legal) detail, but the Government leaflet was put out by the Government, not the Remain campaign. I agree that it was slightly dodgy, but it broke no rules.

 

[Hobbit]

It may be a mere (legal) detail, but the Government leaflet was put out by the Government, not the Remain campaign. I agree that it was slightly dodgy, but it broke no rules.

Hiding under the banner of a govt leaflet, issued before the start date of campaigning, is disingenuous. It had a pure Remain bias.

 

[bluewolf]

Hiding under the banner of a govt leaflet, issued before the start date of campaigning, is disingenuous. It had a pure Remain bias.

But we agree that it broke no rules?

So, at best, the Leave campaign was stupid? At worst?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

The whole thing is so riddled with political dogma and self servicement, it has left me thinking that nothing we finally get is going to benefit the common man, or even the country.
The whole process has left us the laughing stock of Europe and rest of the World.

I have no faith in the process or those responsible for it.

 

[bluewolf]

The whole thing is so riddled with political dogma and self servicement, it has left me thinking that nothing we finally get is going to benefit the common man, or even the country.
The whole process has left us the laughing stock of Europe and rest of the World.

I have no faith in the process or those responsible for it.

Can't argue with that in the slightest. In my opinion, any chance there was of obtaining a beneficial result from this process has been squandered by inept and or self serving politicians who have made mistake after mistake since the result was announced. We are now going to hell in a handcart and all the high profile supporters will take their money and leave.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Can't argue with that in the slightest. In my opinion, any chance there was of obtaining a beneficial result from this process has been squandered by inept and or self serving politicians who have made mistake after mistake since the result was announced. We are now going to hell in a handcart and all the high profile supporters will take their money and leave.

..with the additional benefits of those golden pensions.:angry:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The whole thing is so riddled with political dogma and self servicement, it has left me thinking that nothing we finally get is going to benefit the common man, or even the country.
The whole process has left us the laughing stock of Europe and rest of the World.

I have no faith in the process or those responsible for it.

I don't think you will find anyone on both sides of the divide who will disagree with that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't think you will find anyone on both sides of the divide who will disagree with that.

Furious tirade from Anna Soubry at Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday in the HoC - and she was absolutely spot on. That guy and the rest of his ERG cronies seem hell-bent on getting the UK out of the EU regardless of the economic or social damage that will result (see also John Major - someone who might know a fair bit about Euroscepticism; the EU and such things) - and damage there will inevitably be.

Even if absolutely nothing else - on leaving the EU the UK will lose the economic and social benefits of the free-trade deal the EU yesterday struck with Japan. Whether the UK over time will strike a trade deal with Japan more beneficial to us than that struck yesterday who knows - but whatever the deal might be, that deal is going to take some time to agree and so meanwhile we will be worse off in our trade with Japan.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Furious tirade from Anna Soubry at Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday in the HoC - and she was absolutely spot on. That guy and the rest of his ERG cronies seem hell-bent on getting the UK out of the EU regardless of the economic or social damage that will result (see also John Major - someone who might know a fair bit about Euroscepticism; the EU and such things) - and damage there will inevitably be.

Even if absolutely nothing else - on leaving the EU the UK will lose the economic and social benefits of the free-trade deal the EU yesterday struck with Japan. Whether the UK over time will strike a trade deal with Japan more beneficial to us than that struck yesterday who knows - but whatever the deal might be, that deal is going to take some time to agree and so meanwhile we will be worse off in our trade with Japan.

The Sourbry tirade it great if you agree with her point of view. If you believe that the UK should leave the EU as per the vote that her tirade was just that.

Trade deal with Japan - You constantly forget that a deal is a reciprocal thing. If Japan want better access to our markets, by crikey they do, they need a deal as much as we do. It is a two way thing. Japan will be keen to deal with us after Brexit as it is a market they are established in and can see the benefits of selling more to us. Should be pretty simple.

 

[bluewolf]

The Sourbry tirade it great if you agree with her point of view. If you believe that the UK should leave the EU as per the vote that her tirade was just that.

Trade deal with Japan - You constantly forget that a deal is a reciprocal thing. If Japan want better access to our markets, by crikey they do, they need a deal as much as we do. It is a two way thing. Japan will be keen to deal with us after Brexit as it is a market they are established in and can see the benefits of selling more to us. Should be pretty simple.

Trade deals are never simple. IIRC from my economics classes, an average trade deal can take up to 7 years (Vague memory so may be wrong on this)