Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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SocketRocket
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Yes it is as it's the Speakers job to select amendments, seemed fair enough to Remainers when Burcow was helping them out.
drdel
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It would be amusing to be a 'fly on the wall' when the PM and the new EU leader and Barnier meet this afternoon. Particularly interesting would be the notion that the EU was adammant and declared itself ready for all outcomes in Nov/Dec 19 and was threatening no extension but now wants to discuss delays. Don't you just love politicians and bureaucrats add the two together and sit back and observe?
spongebob59
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Another one for Frozen.
Mudball
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BoJo must be thanking his lucky stars... Megexit has cleared out Brexit from all the papers. Also the unfortunate Iran shooting going in his favour. Not many would have noticed that the MPs seem to all have agreed to get out soon.
SocketRocket
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80 majority, its overpowering.
robinthehood
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Bad news brexit fans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51146992
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51146992
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Let’s be honest I suspect the majority don’t want to see EU workers deported
drdel
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You are being extreme. The Uk has never been against legal residency of EU citizens.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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The majority might not - but I fear that there are plenty who want - and expect - to see fewer Eastern Europeans on the streets of their towns; in the jobs they think Brits should be filling, and that are holding down pay rates in such as building and other related trades; in the queues for housing; for GP appointments; in A&E. Immigration - the word.
robinthehood
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Going to be many people disappointed by brexit.
All those fisherman who voted leave,thinking they'd get back total control of out waters for a start .
All those fisherman who voted leave,thinking they'd get back total control of out waters for a start .
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Ah - but on the fishing side of things we'll be holding the important trump card in the negotiations that is letting children into this country to join a relative.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eer-refuses-to-drop-fight-to-keep-protections
Mudball
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We will get to keep our waters... but can we force fishes to swim in them? what if they are EU fishes and they head back to their part of the sea
SocketRocket
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All those winging Remainers who have only desperation and a feeling of helplessness that didnt get their way. Oh Dear!
SocketRocket
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I'm trying hard to see the link between fish and child refugees! No, sorry still cant see it.
drdel
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Ah but Animal Rights will expect us to have a transition so we can teach them French and Dutch
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Though you do understand and are keen to promote how parties about to be in a negotiation should keep negotiating cards available and not just give them away before negotiations start. Anyway how about we listen to what Lord Dubs says he has been told by a government minister on this...and are not fishing rights one key thing we are going to be negotiating?
Lord Dubs, who has been fighting for improved protections for child refugees travelling alone since 2016, said it was disgraceful to use child refugees as a “bartering chip” with the EU, describing the move to drop the family union rights from the withdrawal legislation as a “betrayal of Britain’s humanitarian position”.
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SocketRocket
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Why exactly are child refugees traveling alone when their families are living?
drdel
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I keep hearing that we'll have to negotiate our 'fishing rights' (as an example) in order to get 'something' from the EU - why?
I realise when negotiating there is compromise but the idea that we give up stuff to which we have legitimate rights is not the way to play the game. The compromises are in those areas where there are no fundamental rights in favour of either side - hence because both sides have rightful claims you negotiate compromise agreements in those areas.
It's not some silly school playground game of tit-for-tat - or should not be IMO.
I realise when negotiating there is compromise but the idea that we give up stuff to which we have legitimate rights is not the way to play the game. The compromises are in those areas where there are no fundamental rights in favour of either side - hence because both sides have rightful claims you negotiate compromise agreements in those areas.
It's not some silly school playground game of tit-for-tat - or should not be IMO.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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We are negotiating a change in an existing arrangement - I think you understand that...
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