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They do that in the media and in the commons so it would be hard to ban
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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They do that in the media and in the commons so it would be hard to ban
Mudball
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Pure genius at work again..
drdel
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I see Corbyn is saying Labour will sort Brexit in 6 months. EU said no more extension. Interesting!
Didn't Thornberry say they would negotiate a better deal and then campaign to vote against it
I think that is genuinely their stance on Brexit. No confusion there
. It will cost them votes, people want clarity on issues.drdel
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Yup, add in another referendum, done and dusted in 6 months.
Mudball
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I think that is genuinely their stance on Brexit. No confusion there
i dont see the confusion
1) Negotiate a deal
2) Hold an informed referendum - it the Labour Deal or Remain.
That way the votes would know what they are voting for in the Referendum rather a blind one based on lies and political self preservation. I think JC needs a better communication director. If only DomCum changed his mind and voted to Remain
bluewolf
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That’s not how I understand their position. But then I’m not motivated to mock it I suppose 😉I think that is genuinely their stance on Brexit. No confusion there
drdel
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Do you think France and EU will agree to restart
bluewolf
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Well, most Brexiteers on here were absolutely adamant that they would reopen the negotiations last time they said they wouldn’t. What’s changed?
drdel
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Negotiate deal with a UK team who have declared they will vote against it: why would the EU take it seriously?
bluewolf
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Because it’s a well defined end route, rather than the current situation whereby the fallback is a No Deal scenario that the EU have stated they don’t want. It’s exactly what they want. Why wouldn’t they go for it?
spongebob59
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Imagine how hilarious a Corbyn renegotiation with the EU would be. “Look chaps I know Boris negotiated that all these powers return to Britain. I’m looking to give most of them back to you.†The EU wouldn’t be able to believe their luck.
I think it is a confused position and in politics that is foolish, particularly on the key issue of the day. How can you have credibility when you are going to negotiate a deal that you are likely to then vote against when it comes to the Commons, or maybe not? If you ask a Labour MP whether the official policy is to enact Brexit or campaign to remain they will not be able to tell you. They will talk around the subject but they can not give a simple 1 line answer. That is certainly the case for every MP I have seen interviewed for the last few weeks.
How will it go when knocking on doors? Voters don't want a 5 minute explanation of a confused policy, they want simplicity and you have seconds to capture their attention. Every other party going in to this election is clear about Brexit. The fact that Labour are not will cost them.
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No, she said the PARTY would negotiate a deal and SHE would vote against it, how is that any different to tory MP’s who voted against boris’s deal?
She is the party's Foreign Sec, one of the big jobs. She can't stay in that role and openly vote against her own govt on such an important issue. To say upfront she would vote against it is pretty major as well. When Ministers voted against TM and BJ they tended to resign.
I'm not sure she is on her own in saying she would vote against it either, it was very woolly all round.
bluewolf
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I may be completely wrong (I frequently am), but that's a misrepresentation of the position. As far as I can remember, they said they would negotiate a "better" deal, then hold a referendum on that deal vs revoke A50. The Referendum would be legally binding this time. Once the result of the referendum was known, they would enact it.
So, either Labour's negotiated deal, or revoke Article 50. Seems fairly clear and logical to me..
Edit...From their manifesto....
What will happen in a second referendum?
A second referendum won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or remaining in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we have long advocated and discussed with the EU; trade unions and businesses, including a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.
woody69
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All these powers?
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What! How many tories voted against TM after 2 years of negotiations.
Come on mate, some MP’s want to remain at any cost and some leave at any cost.
An MP is honest and we still have a go!
She would be voting in the referendum to stay.
I don't think you are at all wrong. The missing bit for me, and this is where I could be wrong, is that during the referendum on their deal what would their stance be? It is a fair question as surely the whole Labour team will not sit quietly and say nothing during the referendum. The initial responses I was hearing was that a number would vote against it, JC has been particularly mysterious about it. There lies the confusion for me, and many Labour MP's I've seen interviewed since.
If the negotiating team want to stay in the EU what sort of deal will get put forward? JC is trying to appease the Labour leave voters as well as the remain ones. I'm not sure that is possible to do.
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