Are you sure? I thought they were all saying it needed just a simple majority as it does with any Bill. That is +1, I didn't hear 2/3rds mentioned at all. Happy to be wrong on this.
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robinthehood
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You're not wrong
Foxholer
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Did you bother to read any ot th rest of that section?
Here's the sentence immediately previous to the one mentioning EU Commission.... 'The terms of our grants prohibit any involvement from funding bodies in determining or influencing content.'
You are letting your own bias infuence you attitude to a rather esteemed org - started in 1938!
Have you considered working for the Daily Wail?
Foxholer
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So why did the previous one fail?
Btw Bojo's bill (for El;ection on 12/12) passed by 438 to 20 - rather more than requires for either! Oppo tried to change that date to 9/12, but that was rejected (by simple majority).
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Yes I did read it and I am not naive enough to believe that it has no influence on the outcome of their article. you dont bite the hand that feeds you.
Foxholer
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In this case, I believe you are simply wrong!
SocketRocket
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That forecast is over a 10 year period and full of uncertainty. I have never seen an accurate economic forecast over a couple of years let alone ten.
woody69
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Pretty much, every single economic forecast predicts a drop in the UK economy due to Brexit.
The only forecast that predicted material benefit from Brexit for the UK was the one written by the “Economists for Brexit†group, led by Professor Patrick Minford of Cardiff Business School, which has been widely debunked and misleading.
If you voted to leave then you have to accept that the economy will take a hit. If you are comfortable with that, then that is fine, but the economy will be hit and people will be poorer. For how long and for how much is open to interpretation like any forecast, but just because the independent group are partially funded by the EC doesn't mean they are wrong in their conclusions.
If they were the only forecast that predicted such an outcome then you could suggest there is outside interference from their contributors and perhaps something is amiss (a bit like Minford and his forecasts as an example), but they are not so as much as it pains you to accept it, they are almost certainly correct.
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Everything you say is complete common sense and is something I am completely comfortable with.
There have been ups as well as downs during our membership of the EU and I am sure that is a trend that would continue with us outside, life is never plain sailing.
He orignally tried to change it under the terms of The Fixed Parliament Act. Yesterday he brought forward an entirely new Bill, a one off that only stands for this election, on the date given. It is a Mission Imposssible Bill that self destructs after Dec 12
.The Fixed Parliament Act is still on the Statute Book and so it takes over again after this election.
Foxholer
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He orignally tried to change it under the terms of The Fixed Parliament Act. Yesterday he brought forward an entirely new Bill, a one off that only stands for this election, on the date given. It is a Mission Imposssible Bill that self destructs after Dec 12
The Fixed Parliament Act is still on the Statute Book and so it takes over again after this election.
Surely that means he'd be 'breaking the law' AGAIN then if it had not passed with (significantly more than) the 2/3rds required!He orignally tried to change it under the terms of The Fixed Parliament Act. Yesterday he brought forward an entirely new Bill, a one off that only stands for this election, on the date given. It is a Mission Imposssible Bill that self destructs after Dec 12
The Fixed Parliament Act is still on the Statute Book and so it takes over again after this election.
No, because he created a new temporary law which was approved by parliament.
drdel
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With so many different factions and parties in this GE I reckon there's a fair chance we'll end up in a 'hung' situation and the mess will trundle on unless the EU are true to their word and stop agreeing to extensions.
Foxholer
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Ah! If that's the case, that renders the Fixed Term Act pointless!
Can you point me to anywhere documenting that law? Surely it would also have to have been approved by The Lords, something that isn't instant!
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ger147
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It's going thru the Lords today and should receive Royal Assent shortly thereafter.
Check the HoC's website if you want to see any of the paperwork e.g. the bill.
Foxholer
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I saw the one passed 438 to 20 passed and it's going through Lards.
But can't see anything about the 'temporary' Law - that would also have to have been passed through The Lords before he was able to use it!
Happy to be proven wrong, but methinks Lord Tyrion might be guessing/twaddle-ising!
clubchamp98
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Fixed parliament act is surely not fit for purpose if it can just be sidelined by a one line bill.He orignally tried to change it under the terms of The Fixed Parliament Act. Yesterday he brought forward an entirely new Bill, a one off that only stands for this election, on the date given. It is a Mission Imposssible Bill that self destructs after Dec 12
The Fixed Parliament Act is still on the Statute Book and so it takes over again after this election.
ger147
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The vote that passed 438 to 20 was a new bill, not a motion under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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For me the FTPA actually seems to fulfill it's objective - stops a government calling an election whenever it suits them - they need the 2/3rds majority.
And for the One-Line Bill - well for a government such a bill is always going to be open to amendment and the amendments may be totally at odds with government policy or that they want to achieve. And that's why there was a risk to the government of amendments to the current One-Line bill being passed, and as a result the government then choosing/having to pull it. One-Line bills might seem an easy way to circumvent the FTPA - but they open the door to the opposition...
ger147
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A number of MP's made that very point during the debates in the HoC's, many of them wanting the act repealed.
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