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What exactly is a millennial.
Someone born at the turn of the century?
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Someone born at the turn of the century?
I think that might apply to only half of the voting public. Also, I think that many people's faith is long since shattered. If it was over 70% of the electorate that voted in the referendum, and half of them might feel disenfranchised you're left with a pretty low turnout at the next GE... or maybe because it will be fought around the Brexit issue there might still be a good turnout.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051
These MPs very close to Brexit , some in the cabinate
They want the workers rights bill scraped. The deal would be pass with the workers bill in but a few key people want it out to really shake up workers rights.
In the book they look at America and say they have 10 days holiday a year that's it. Nobody should have more. Except them of course
People can bang on about out means out and respect the vote but if your really happy to have workers rights eroded and go back to the dark ages then good for you. It's blooming crazy.
It all seems to be pointing to a general election .. hopefully Corbyn is more self aware than people think and will step aside and let labour be saved by someone people can get behind rather than someone who is just a career protest politician
These MPs very close to Brexit , some in the cabinate
They want the workers rights bill scraped. The deal would be pass with the workers bill in but a few key people want it out to really shake up workers rights.
In the book they look at America and say they have 10 days holiday a year that's it. Nobody should have more. Except them of course
People can bang on about out means out and respect the vote but if your really happy to have workers rights eroded and go back to the dark ages then good for you. It's blooming crazy.
It all seems to be pointing to a general election .. hopefully Corbyn is more self aware than people think and will step aside and let labour be saved by someone people can get behind rather than someone who is just a career protest politician
clubchamp98
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Yes I think your right.
But it will be my last vote if they overturn the vote.
It’s not worth it if they just don’t do what hey are told by the majority.
Sorry but that's just laughable, up there with pastie tax.
5 MP's write a book and 3 cabinet ministers also contribute to it, and you believe it might end up being law. There's fringe groups in every party, the Tories having plenty of them, but there's no way any of that will happen. 10 days holiday!?!? Expect a revolt along the lines of the Poll Tax demonstrations if that gets anywhere near the statute books.
It would be political suicide and drive a significant number of Tory supporters to vote Labour.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-50096400
Why leave it out the deal rather than protect it along with other things?
Boris' amazing deal , which is the exact deal we were offered 3 years ago, is somehow worse than Mays deal that he voted down but he just wants to be the pm who got Brexit done. Boris the super pm
So super that he has not won a single vote in the house of parliament yet. Everything gets voted down.
Blokes a clown and only interested in himself
SocketRocket
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Do you honestly believe that twaddle and do you think we need other countries controlling our employment laws? We are quite capable of governing ourselves and if you look back through history many of the great improvements in peoples welfare were made by people in this country pushing for them. As previously said it would be political suicide for a party to bring in 10 days holiday or similar changes. This talk is just another attempt by Corbyn and his mates to derail brexit and shoe himself into No 10.
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Corbyn doesn't want the number 10 job
Be is a career protest politician who was bullied into the leadership race and won.
He wouldnt know what to do in office
Who says it's twoddle? You? I'm sorry but there are so many more respected opinions worth listening to before some self proclaimed expert on Brexit and politics in general
SocketRocket
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Look to yourself matey. You are the one going off half cocked and spouting an ill thought through diatribe. Try engaging your brain before using the keyboard 🙄
What "exact same deal" from 3 years ago? Article 50 hadn't even been triggered 3 years ago? What on earth are you on about? As for Boris not winning a vote; of course he hasn't, he hasn't got a majority.
I think the only thing of any relevance in your post is the last sentence. Everything else is... a little strange...
robinthehood
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To be fair, you're more than happy to post spurious links stirring up nonsense about an EU army, but then shoot down others for doing the same sort of thing.
I get the impression you're are nailed on brexiteer at heart really 😉😂
this deal if you can call it that just shows what the Tory's are up to... Outright capitolism and the shedding of workes rights.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/aug/22/britannia-unchained-rise-of-new-tory-right
raised again by Ownhttps://www.theguardian.com/comment...ris-johnson-brexit-dream-shred-workers-rights
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/aug/22/britannia-unchained-rise-of-new-tory-right
raised again by Ownhttps://www.theguardian.com/comment...ris-johnson-brexit-dream-shred-workers-rights
Grant85
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Seems like the published Withdrawal Agreement Bill is going to take a bit of time to consider.
It's 115 pages and makes countless references to other pieces of legislation. It is basically unreadable to anyone other than lawyers or legal enthusiasts. I'd even suggest that a fair number of MPs will not even attempt to read it - but may get some kind of summary of the key points from Whips or Clerks.
I think the assumption that this can all be railroaded through by Thursday evening is fanciful and I'd imagine there's a fair chance enough people will see sense and say 'No. Lets take a bit more time... October 31st is an arbitrary deadline'
Also worth remembering that this Bill has been drafted in near enough it's current form for the best part of a year, yet the Government chose not to publish it until around 7pm last night - less than a day before it hopes to start voting for it. I'd suggest there is a reason for that and the more people read it, the more there will be to dislike for Tory Moderates and Tory Brexiteers alike.
This is potentially as daft / stupid / ignorant as all the MP's who voted to trigger A50 before they had any kind of plan, strategy or statement of intent about what they were going to negotiate with the EU. And then also voted to have an election a few weeks later.
It's 115 pages and makes countless references to other pieces of legislation. It is basically unreadable to anyone other than lawyers or legal enthusiasts. I'd even suggest that a fair number of MPs will not even attempt to read it - but may get some kind of summary of the key points from Whips or Clerks.
I think the assumption that this can all be railroaded through by Thursday evening is fanciful and I'd imagine there's a fair chance enough people will see sense and say 'No. Lets take a bit more time... October 31st is an arbitrary deadline'
Also worth remembering that this Bill has been drafted in near enough it's current form for the best part of a year, yet the Government chose not to publish it until around 7pm last night - less than a day before it hopes to start voting for it. I'd suggest there is a reason for that and the more people read it, the more there will be to dislike for Tory Moderates and Tory Brexiteers alike.
This is potentially as daft / stupid / ignorant as all the MP's who voted to trigger A50 before they had any kind of plan, strategy or statement of intent about what they were going to negotiate with the EU. And then also voted to have an election a few weeks later.
Foxholer
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For those countries that have DONE deals with the EU (at least Japan and Canada from that list) bureaucratic speed is irrelevant! Aus and NZ are curently chugging through the process.
UK bureaucracy is hardly lightning btw!
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Slime
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The only reason that we've wasted three years is because Remainers won't/can't accept the result of the referendum.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I agree. But it's a bit weird.
I heard the Housing Minister this morning arguing that whilst the UK would always aim to maintain rights in line with the EU, and indeed maintain the current UK levels which are in many aspects and respects better than the EU's requirements - the government wants to be able to have the freedom to be able to vary rights as a might be required when negotiating trade deals. And in the context of the Deal that can only mean having the flexibility to reduce them to less than EU minimum requirements - and in many areas that could be a significant reduction from today's levels.
I can therefore only conclude that if/when the Deal is agreed and worker/H&S etc rights remain outside of the legal aspect of the Deal, we are being signed up to accepting potentially significant loss of rights in the future.
It was also interesting hearing the minister trying to justify there being no economic analysis of the Deal done on the grounds that the Governor of the BoE is saying that it is a 'good' deal. Nick Robinson was quick to point out that what the Governor had said is that the Deal is 'good' relative to No Deal - and that he also said that NO deal would be better economically than the deal we currently have. I rather grimaced at a government minister quoting forecasts of the Gov of the BoE as a basis for it being a 'great' deal - given the rubbishing of him and all other economic forecasters that has gone on. But there we go (I couldn't laugh as it's not funny).
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woody69
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If that helps you sleep at night, then sure that's the reason. I think it might be a little more complicated than that though.
Slime
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I'm sure that if the remainers had accepted the result and worked with the leavers, things would have been done and dusted a long, long time ago.
Oh, I don't need any help sleeping, but thanks for thinking of me.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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See the Brexit Secretary in committee yesterday having to correct himself on being questioned on the need for paperwork for 'exports' from NI to the UK. At first none - then oops - sorry - yes - paperwork will be required. Did he just forget or did he not realise? Pretty basic stuff on the NI/UK border control (who'd have thought we'd be saying that when we walked into the voting booth back then...) you'd have thought the Brexit Secretary would be completely on top of. No?
I fear that they are making it up as they go along and hence the need to minimise scrutiny and debate.
robinthehood
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I guess it's easier than reminding your self that the Tories threw their majority in a mistaken belief they'd sweep up the brexit vote and storm to a huge majority in an Ill thought out snap election.I'm sure that if the remainers had accepted the result and worked with the leavers, things would have been done and dusted a long, long time ago.
Oh, I don't need any help sleeping, but thanks for thinking of me.
Or that it was the Tory rebels who voted again thier own party to stop the first brexit vote .
But yeah it's all remain voters fault
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