Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[GB72]

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Unification I believe was #5

Meant that by NI leaving UK but could have been 2, NI leaves UK and is an independent country still in Europe or NI forms part of unified Ireland. Maybe unsurprisingly bearing in mind the proposals, I cannot for the life of me find the quote

 

[Hacker Khan]

Meant that by NI leaving UK but could have been 2, NI leaves UK and is an independent country still in Europe or NI forms part of unified Ireland. Maybe unsurprisingly bearing in mind the proposals, I cannot for the life of me find the quote

He said the 5 ways to avoid a hard border were

A united Ireland; Ireland rejoining the UK, the UK staying in the EU, the UK staying in the EU's Customs Union and the Single Market, and the backstop. He said four of those five options, including a united Ireland - but not Ireland rejoining the UK - would be acceptable to the Irish government.'

 

[Dando]

Jeez, are we now scenario planning on what Tashy's AirBnB host has apparently heard 'on the street' in Australia? Who next, Johnny the shoeshine guy from Police Squad?

It’s up there with SILH’s sources

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It’s up there with SILH’s sources

What sources are you referring to? The French barber? Well he said he'd go back to France and indeed he's gone back to France.

So I believed that EU27 national source who said he was going back to France...at least in part because of Brexit

That's one source - any more?

 

[Del_Boy]

Simplest solution NI have a referendum stay in the UK and accept a hard border or leave the UK and do their own thing with Ireland and the EU

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Simplest solution NI have a referendum stay in the UK and accept a hard border or leave the UK and do their own thing with Ireland and the EU

There is nothing simple when it comes to NI and being linked to the UK or Ireland

Any deal or Brexit must take into account all four counties

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Comment from a NI border resident......…..in two years the DUP has done more for a United Ireland than the 30 years of IRA bombing and killings.

 

[Del_Boy]

There is nothing simple when it comes to NI and being linked to the UK or Ireland

Any deal or Brexit must take into account all four counties

A deal cannot take into account all 4 countries the 3 smaller ones want to stay in the EU. The largest wants to leave

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A deal cannot take into account all 4 countries the 3 smaller ones want to stay in the EU. The largest wants to leave

Doesn’t matter - we are in the EU as the UK and we must have a deal as the UK , leave as the UK or stay in as the UK

It’s one nation not 4.

 

[Del_Boy]

Doesn’t matter - we are in the EU as the UK and we must have a deal as the UK , leave as the UK or stay in as the UK

It’s one nation not 4.

Simple answer to that is UK voted to leave

 

[Dando]

Simple answer to that is UK voted to leave

You’d never have guessed!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sobering thought from Fosh regarding the present Bexit situation.

'It's like the final episode of Blackadder, when it stops being a comedy'.

 

[SocketRocket]

What a load of bollocks being spoken here. The simple solution to all this current crap would have been the EU to have been prepared to negotiate a free trade deal as part of the withdraw agreement, this would have negated all this current prevarication over the Irish border
The ONLY reason this was refused by the EU and accepted by may and her team was that they didnt want us to leave.

 

[Tashyboy]

So....free movement from EU bad...
Free movement from other country good.
I'm lost at what the difference is...

The difference is that free movement coming from the EU Is the mass migration of unskilled workers coming to the UK. Yes some workers are skilled but all, no. Do they all enhance my lifestyle. Er no. Australia has a migration policy. Skilled workers that they are short of. If that policy had been instigated in the UK we would not be leaving the EU. But I suspect you already knew that.

 

[Tashyboy]

Interesting, my mate who lives and works in Melbourne says the whole process of getting a work Visa is a disgrace and isn't helping the economy in Australia. I know I had to jump through lots of hoops and tell them just about my whole life story (I didn't tell them about the tee shot at Tyneside which went 5 feet 🤣) and that was just for a temporary 3 month work visa.

My lad had already told me what the Guy told me.( Ironically the guy works for Sirco a British company). Agreed the process is hard re getting working visas, and from state to state you have to be on a skilled list. Theres a shortage of Hairdressers I kid you not. They are on the list. Lad is working on Solar farm and earning 2,500 aus dollars a week.
They struggle to get Aussies out there. 😳. He is a class 1 lorry driver, plater welder and fabricated my trades, but does not have the skills. Yet comparisons are being made between that and letting in an eastern European car washer in the UK. If leaving the EU opens better doors, and closes certain doors crack on.

 

[Tashyboy]

Youre confusing illegal immigrants with legal.....

So I will ask you what you asked me, what's the difference.

 

[Blue in Munich]

What a load of bollocks being spoken here. The simple solution to all this current crap would have been the EU to have been prepared to negotiate a free trade deal as part of the withdraw agreement, this would have negated all this current prevarication over the Irish border
The ONLY reason this was refused by the EU and accepted by may and her team was that they didnt want our money to leave.

Fixed that for you. They really have no interest in us staying whatsoever, it's just that their federalist state plans will fall apart without our cash. We never have been, nor ever will be, full members of the family.

 

[robinthehood]

So I will ask you what you asked me, what's the difference.

Between legal and illegal ...?
Oof.

 

[Hobbit]

The difference is that free movement coming from the EU Is the mass migration of unskilled workers coming to the UK. Yes some workers are skilled but all, no. Do they all enhance my lifestyle. Er no. Australia has a migration policy. Skilled workers that they are short of. If that policy had been instigated in the UK we would not be leaving the EU. But I suspect you already knew that.

Do you need to be skilled to pick cabbages? Equally, if the UK has a surplus of IT technicians does it really need more?

Skill has little to do with it, but need does. As you say, a hairdresser is needed Oz but some other trades aren't. The same would apply in the UK, or should.

 

[drdel]

I'm more and more confused by Varadkar's stance.

Last week he called for 'manufactured' goods to be included in the UK's proposition, now he says the whole 'deal' is a non-starter. Apart from the obvious economic impact I'd have thought Ireland's reliance on the UK's RAF (Ireland has 2 aircraft and about 7,000 personnel) he would have been more likely to have pushed for sensible timescales and plans. Perhaps the new EU military will set up a base or two and patrol the area !

Its obviously in the UK's/NATO interests to maintain patrols but there seems to be little mention of defence.