Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

Tusk to May...…....please don't waste any time

May to HofCom….....enjoy your 3 week Easter holiday.

Exactly what I thought. The holiday should have been postposned not just now but about 2 years ago. They knew we were (suppose to be) leaving around now so why let them have a holiday? Could have given them a year notice that sorry no holiday for this time as there is work to do

So of this extension how much is holiday?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Exactly what I thought. The holiday should have been postposned not just now but about 2 years ago. They knew we were (suppose to be) leaving around now so why let them have a holiday? Could have given them a year notice that sorry no holiday for this time as there is work to do

So of this extension how much is holiday?

They are normally in recess around the same time as the schools in the summer. This does not necessarily mean they are on holiday during that time as I imagine there is a lot of local MP stuff to do. Such as avoiding your local constituents if you voted the opposite way in parliament to how they voted in the referendum

 

[Captainron]

This thread is like Dear Deidre for me.

If I’ve had a bit of a bad day, I just read 2 or 3 pages of this and realise that some folk are having a way worse day than me.

Thank you so much. Love the forum

 

[Deleted member 21784]

They are normally in recess around the same time as the schools in the summer. This does not necessarily mean they are on holiday during that time as I imagine there is a lot of local MP stuff to do. Such as avoiding your local constituents if you voted the opposite way in parliament to how they voted in the referendum

That’s the thing tho when important buisness like this is needing sorting holiday should be called off

Police have their leave cancelled during extreme situations so why can’t MPs to sort (arguably) the most important issue this country has faced in a generation

 

[User62651]

That’s the thing tho when important buisness like this is needing sorting holiday should be called off

Police have their leave cancelled during extreme situations so why can’t MPs to sort (arguably) the most important issue this country has faced in a generation

It's an 11 day break, tbh I think they need a break from the Commons at least, take a step back and reflect. They've been in there late into the evenings a lot of late and the atmosphere is toxic, everyones backs are up. We all need a break from work. I know they're portrayed as all sorts in the media but they are still people, they can burn out in that environment. Exhausted time-pressured people dont make good rational decisions.

Maybe some breathing space will yield some progress when they return?
Ok maybe not

 

[Deleted member 18121]

The Brexit Party launched this morning and their first candidate to stand for European elections..... Annunziata Rees-Mogg!

 

[bluewolf]

The Brexit Party launched this morning and their first candidate to stand for European elections..... Annunziata Rees-Mogg!

I think I grew up with her on the Beech Hill Council Estate in Wigan. Lovely working class woman.

A real woman of the people. Thank god they've not just put up one of the countries entitled elite. 👍

 

[SocketRocket]

It's an 11 day break, tbh I think they need a break from the Commons at least, take a step back and reflect. They've been in there late into the evenings a lot of late and the atmosphere is toxic, everyones backs are up. We all need a break from work. I know they're portrayed as all sorts in the media but they are still people, they can burn out in that environment. Exhausted time-pressured people dont make good rational decisions.

Maybe some breathing space will yield some progress when they return?
Ok maybe not

Probably not 

 

[User62651]

The Brexit Party launched this morning and their first candidate to stand for European elections..... Annunziata Rees-Mogg!

Aside from who's standing you've already got UKIP and The Brexit Party bickering at eachother. Splitting the hard brexit voters isn't going to help either party get any seats. Seems a bit self defeating doesn't it?

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Aside from who's standing you've already got UKIP and The Brexit Party bickering at eachother. Splitting the hard brexit voters isn't going to help either party get any seats. Seems a bit self defeating doesn't it?

Not really, my assumption would be that "people" will vote UKIP for general and local elections and Brexit party for european.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Aside from who's standing you've already got UKIP and The Brexit Party bickering at eachother. Splitting the hard brexit voters isn't going to help either party get any seats. Seems a bit self defeating doesn't it?

Aren't UKIP essentially the EDL nowadays? So the very far right vote may be split between UKIP and EDL and the 'not so far right but some still quite right' vote between The Brexit Party and the Tories. And the centre right vote between the Tories and TIG. I suppose if you do have a right wing persuasion at least you have a few to chose from. But I do hope the Tories don't do anything stupid if they feel threatened by The Brexit Party though.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The Brexit Party launched this morning and their first candidate to stand for European elections..... Annunziata Rees-Mogg!

I've just spent the last 5 minutes looking at that name and trying to pronounce to. I've given up now.

Back to your point Maxfli. I can see Farage's party taking the votes from UKIP. UKIP have become utterly bonkers with too many racist under tones. They have lost leader after leader and have pretty much disappeared off the map. The Brexit party comes in with a clear objective, a well known person leading it who uses the media brilliantly and is someone the public know. The will not get caught up in having a whole host of policies that could trip them up, they have a narrow focus.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think I grew up with her on the Beech Hill Council Estate in Wigan. Lovely working class woman.

A real woman of the people. Thank god they've not just put up one of the countries entitled elite. 👍

Good old Nigels always raging against the elite so good to see he's walking the walk. Has she really thought this through as it could cause a split in the Rees-Mogg household when their kids Off Shore Account, Trust Fund and Caviar on Toast are old enough to send their nanny to vote for them. As they will be forced to decide between mummy and daddy. Like some nasty divorce but with posh people with absolute shed loads of cash playing ideological games with the lives of many people who are struggling to survive instead.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Good old Nigels always raging against the elite so good to see he's walking the walk. Has she really thought this through as it could cause a split in the Rees-Mogg household when their kids Off Shore Account, Trust Fund and Caviar on Toast are old enough to send their nanny to vote for theme. As they will be forced to decide between mummy and daddy. Like some nasty divorce but with posh people with absolute shed loads of cash playing ideological games with the lives of many people who are struggling to survive instead?

Thoughts are that maybe this is the beginning of a Tory split where brother Jacob jumps ship with some other like minded folk and the brexit party evolves into a genuine 3rd party running for general elections and not just european.....in the long term.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Thoughts are that maybe this is the beginning of a Tory split where brother Jacob jumps ship with some other like minded folk and the brexit party evolves into a genuine 3rd party running for general elections and not just european.....in the long term.

Whilst I'd quite welcome more parties to break the traditional 2 party dominance, I'm struggling to see, other than Europe, what the purpose of that party would be. Unless I suppose they go more free market economics, slash taxes, run down the public sector, privatise everything, disaster capitalists welcome here. But I'd say in the UK the attraction of that party would be limited and any half decent left centre/left wing ish party would wipe the floor with it.

 

[IanM]

Almost certainly will be another short term Party thingie..most members of the two main parties are too scared of the other getting elected to vote for anything else!

 

[bluewolf]

So, if the Brexit Party can field 3 or 4 candidates on a manifesto of causing maximum disruption and frustration within the EU, would people be happy with that?

Is that how we want to be seen on the International Stage? Like a petulant child, throwing a tantrum because they haven't got their own way.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Whilst I'd quite welcome more parties to break the traditional 2 party dominance, I'm struggling to see, other than Europe, what the purpose of that party would be. Unless I suppose they go more free market economics, slash taxes, run down the public sector, privatise everything, disaster capitalists welcome here. But I'd say in the UK the attraction of that party would be limited and any half decent left centre/left wing ish party would wipe the floor with it.

My gut instinct is that its branded as very much a hot topic and that if/when brexit does happen it could evolve into another more family friendly ideology but with its roots still all about sovereignty etc etc

 

[Deleted member 18121]

So, if the Brexit Party can field 3 or 4 candidates on a manifesto of causing maximum disruption and frustration within the EU, would people be happy with that?

Is that how we want to be seen on the International Stage? Like a petulant child, throwing a tantrum because they haven't got their own way.

I'd say thats an "extreme" way of looking at it, but dumbed down yes. To be honest your message of "Like a petulant child, throwing a tantrum because they haven't got their own way" sums up remainers over the past 2.5 years.

It's just some healthy competition with opposing ideas giving people options.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Good old Nigels always raging against the elite so good to see he's walking the walk. Has she really thought this through as it could cause a split in the Rees-Mogg household when their kids Off Shore Account, Trust Fund and Caviar on Toast are old enough to send their nanny to vote for them. As they will be forced to decide between mummy and daddy. Like some nasty divorce but with posh people with absolute shed loads of cash playing ideological games with the lives of many people who are struggling to survive instead.

Wouldn't it be considered libellous to suggest that someone has been having sex with, and has fathered children with, his sister without solid evidence?