Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Sweep]

So extension allowed/recommended by Commons. Still needs/Yet to be agreed by EU27.

Still unlikely, imo, for any meaningful change in deal May has negotiated - all depends on agreeing cutoff point of Backstop imo.

Simply delaying 'crisis point' imo and causing EU elections issue!

All parties just want to kick the can down the road. They want us to leave but not really leave but just convince the country they delivered Brexit.
There is a way out, but it requires the EU to soften its position. Agree a trade deal and the backstop issue goes away. Sound simple? Well, it may be a simplistic way of putting it but as we are already trading this way it shouldn’t be hard and they have done the same for Japan and Canada.
There has to be a reason the EU doesn’t want to offer it right now and I think we all know what that reason is.

 

[ger147]

Who can?

The UK government.

 

[Sweep]

Only criticism came from the Remainers, most criticism is still being aimed at the PM.

A waste of good cheddar then 😀

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Who can?

We (the uk) can. There was a court case a few months ago where it was ruled we can revoke it at any time before we leave and stay in the EU and not a single country needs to sign off on it

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The UK government.

Only with a vote though isn’t it? and I really can’t see any Party except the SNP and the Lib Dems supporting that.

 

[ger147]

Only with a vote though isn’t it? and I really can’t see any Party except the SNP and the Lib Dens supporting that.

It is widely believed that there is a majority amongst MP's in the HoC's to remain within the EU.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So the farce looks to continue. I think every single MP needs to look hard in the mirror and decide if they really represented the views of the leavers, decided solely on the facts presented or simply followed party lines for political gains and their own self interest

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It is widely believed that there is a majority amongst MP's in the HoC's to remain within the EU.

Maybe, but I still believe that would be political suicide for any MP in a seat that had a majority vote leave.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Maybe, but I still believe that would be political suicide for any MP in a seat that had a majority vote leave.

Said the same with the poll tax didn’t they? Tory’s recovered

 

[ger147]

Maybe, but I still believe that would be political suicide for any MP in a seat that had a majority vote leave.

Not necessarily, the latest opinion polls show that the public if voting again would vote to Remain.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not necessarily, the latest opinion polls show that the public if voting again would vote to Remain.

But you’re not talking about a public vote, I’d have a lot more tolerance for the public changing their mind than an MP doing it for them.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Said the same with the poll tax didn’t they? Tory’s recovered

It cost Maggie her job!

 

[Jamesbrown]

Not necessarily, the latest opinion polls show that the public if voting again would vote to Remain.

Ah them opinion polls. How do they work out lately?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It cost Maggie her job!

I don’t think May is stupid enough to think she has a job left for long..

If it wasn’t for the falklands war Maggie would have been gone a long time before.. never change a leader when your in a war

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So the farce looks to continue. I think every single MP needs to look hard in the mirror and decide if they really represented the views of the leavers, decided solely on the facts presented or simply followed party lines for political gains and their own self interest

Have to be careful because you get defensive and precious.
Either you don’t understand what’s going on or you haven’t been following it, because your post makes no sense to me.

 

[ger147]

But you’re not talking about a public vote, I’d have a lot more tolerance for the public changing their mind than an MP doing it for them.

You are perfectly entitled to hold that view but I don't agree it would be political suicide if MP's revoke A50.

They could hold a 2nd vote to ask Joe Public if they still want to leave or stay and in practical terms, that could just as easily be after A50 is revoked as if the public vote again to Leave they can give notice again.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Have to be careful because you get defensive and precious.
Either you don’t understand what’s going on or you haven’t been following it, because your post makes no sense to me.

The simple case is, as others have said, is across the board we have made a complete hash of negotiating any sort of meaningful deal and have become a laughing stock internationally to the point where even Trump is having a swipe. I'm simply saying MP's of all parties should take a hard look at what their motives have been since the referendum result and how has it come to the current situation. Nothing more than frustration on how we're still in a real mess https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You are perfectly entitled to hold that view but I don't agree it would be political suicide if MP's revoke A50.

They could hold a 2nd vote to ask Joe Public if they still want to leave or stay and in practical terms, that could just as easily be after A50 is revoked as if the public vote again to Leave they can give notice again.

Thank you! We can revoke article 50 whenever we like.. the referendum wasn’t legally binding so nothing wrong with ignoring it.. MPs are in charge of the country . We can have the illusion we are if we do wish

Once it’s revoked they can do what they want to cover up the mess

I’ve been saying since day one when the referendum was announced that’s what’s the point no matter what the MPs will block it

I’m very very close to finally having my statement proven correct.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The simple case is, as others have said, is across the board we have made a complete hash of negotiating any sort of meaningful deal and have become a laughing stock internationally to the point where even Trump is having a swipe. I'm simply saying MP's of all parties should take a hard look at what their motives have been since the referendum result and how has it come to the current situation. Nothing more than frustration on how we're still in a real mess https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399

There’s only been the Government holding negotiations, the Government has a majority in the HoC’s, if that Government voted along Party lines the deal would now be done and we’d be coming out on 29th March.
All other Opposition Parties become irrelevant.
You can’t expect MP’s to vote on a bad deal because it’s the only one on offer!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Thank you! We can revoke article 50 whenever we like.. the referendum wasn’t legally binding so nothing wrong with ignoring it.. MPs are in charge of the country . We can have the illusion we are if we do wish

Once it’s revoked they can do what they want to cover up the mess

I’ve been saying since day one when the referendum was announced that’s what’s the point no matter what the MPs will block it

I’m very very close to finally having my statement proven correct.

It would still require a vote, yes the vote may pass, but it would still have to be brought forward with an explanation as to why, currently there is no mention of it and personally I believe we will end up with a watered down Brexit with all Parties claiming they’ve given the Country what was voted for.