Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[ger147]

Doesn't matter what you or I think now, that's been debated to death. What's actually happening is parliament, both Commons and Lords have determined a No Deal brexit is off the table so why keep telling us of it's merits when it's not an option going forward? May's deal is what you've got for Leave, take it or leave it. Democracy didn't end June 2016, if you buy something and find out it's been oversold and not what you wanted, you can opt to take it back.
If Leave remains the popular option then you've nothing to fear from a Peoples vote anyway.

The HoC and the Lords cannot simply state "no deal is off the table" and that's that.

Unless some sort of deal is agreed with the EU and approved by the UK Parliament, leaving with no deal is exactly what is going to happen.

And as Parliament doesn't seem to be able to make up its mind what deal it wants, the prospect of a no deal exit continues to draw ever closer with every passing day...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Right folks. I've genuinely enjoyed this debate over the last few years. There have been many excellent posts (and many more ridiculous ones). It's been informative and occasionally enlightening.

However, I think we're about to enter a period of great political unrest and I genuinely don't want to fall out with anyone on here. So therefore I'm going to politely withdraw from the debate until after this whole potato field of a situation has been sorted out.

Good luck in your future efforts to convert people, and I hope to see you on the other side 👍

Typical woolly liberal, buggers off when the going gets tough.

 

[ger147]

HoC vote tomorrow postponed, PM statement at 3:30pm. I wonder what today's plan is going to be...

 

[SocketRocket]

Brexiteer's have only themselves to blame as not one of them has been willing to step up to the plate.

And what plate is that?

 

[Taz]

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So @jeremycorbyn - if Labour, as official opposition, lodges motion of no confidence in this incompetent government tomorrow, @theSNP will support & we can then work together to give people the chance to stop Brexit in another vote. This shambles can’t go on - so how about it?

 

[IanM]

Well folks... please vote in this General Election. The next one after won't count for squat!

 

[SocketRocket]

Democracy is not sticking to one decision forever. Especially when the electorate is now more informed.

Don't know about you buy I knew exactly what I was voting for. If your proposition was correct then there should be an infinite number of revotes and especially when someone states an opinion that is opposed to the last vote. The last referendum was explained as a once in a generation decision, a generation is not two years.

 

[Kellfire]

Don't know about you buy I knew exactly what I was voting for. If your proposition was correct then there should be an infinite number of revotes and especially when someone states an opinion that is opposed to the last vote. The last referendum was explained as a once in a generation decision, a generation is not two years.

Thankfully democracy allows us a chance to rectify mistakes before they happen.

 

[Hacker Khan]

remember kids, once we are out of the EU then the current politicians in the commons who are making such a great fist of this will be the ones in charge or in opposition. And will have more power to shape our future economic and political.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Right folks. I've genuinely enjoyed this debate over the last few years. There have been many excellent posts (and many more ridiculous ones). It's been informative and occasionally enlightening.

However, I think we're about to enter a period of great political unrest and I genuinely don't want to fall out with anyone on here. So therefore I'm going to politely withdraw from the debate until after this whole potato field of a situation has been sorted out.

Good luck in your future efforts to convert people, and I hope to see you on the other side 👍

That’s a really big shame because along with people like Hobbit and BIM you provided balance with well thought out eye opening posts

Listening to the news it looks like the 💩 is about to hit the fan

What a mess this whole situation is - ripped apart the country and politicians doing nothing but servicing their own needs first. Not looking forward to the next couples of years

 

[SocketRocket]

Thankfully democracy allows us a chance to rectify mistakes before they happen.

It's only a mistake in your opinion and when our opinions were put to the test yours was in a minority. The undermining of democracy by many remain voters is indicative of the creeping lack of moral fibre in our society.

 

[SocketRocket]

Right folks. I've genuinely enjoyed this debate over the last few years. There have been many excellent posts (and many more ridiculous ones). It's been informative and occasionally enlightening.

However, I think we're about to enter a period of great political unrest and I genuinely don't want to fall out with anyone on here. So therefore I'm going to politely withdraw from the debate until after this whole potato field of a situation has been sorted out.

Good luck in your future efforts to convert people, and I hope to see you on the other side 👍

Sorry to hear this, we often disagree but manage to discuss our differences without name-calling which is a breath of fresh air on this forum. Maybe you could reconsider.

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry to hear this, we often disagree but manage to discuss our differences without name-calling which is a breath of fresh air on this forum. Maybe you could reconsider.

Perhaps we should hold a referendum or offer good terms. But, equally, he can't go till he's paid the divorce bill, and he's not allowed back till we've negotiated terms... Wolfie+++

 

[Kellfire]

It's only a mistake in your opinion and when our opinions were put to the test yours was in a minority. The undermining of democracy by many remain voters is indicative of the creeping lack of moral fibre in our society.

Nonsense. You can keep shouting that another vote would be undemocratic as much as you want - it will remain untrue and deep down you know that.

 

[Mudball]

Brit humour can be savage..

Needs audio

https://www.facebook.com/146505212039213/posts/5638853556137657

 

[MegaSteve]

Not sure whether I am more amused or amazed some feel we are now more/ better informed... By treating the electorate like mushrooms is how government/bureaucracy keeps it subservient... Rather than how it should be the other way round...

 

[IanM]

Logical, but ultimately pointless move by the PM.
1) The HoC Remainers will not vote for any deal as it is their best way of blocking Brexit
2) Leavers in the HoC will not vote for a fudge, and that's all they'll get offered...

So, the issue of the Irish Border could lead to one of the IRA's biggest fans becoming PM! Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[Foxholer]

Remainers would not be running the negotiations if the “Brexit Minister” had been allowed to handle the negotiations and not been superseded by the Europe Department in No.10.

It’s all smoke and mirrors. You have a team from the UK trying to negotiate for something they don’t want with a team from the EU pretending to negotiate something they don’t want when actually their main focus is protecting the EU project and dissuading other members from going down the same route as the UK.

I actually give the UK negotiators a little more credit than this. Though there was always potential for that 'accusation'. But I certainly agree with the comments about the EU side - a pretty understandable approach from them mind!

 

[User62651]

Logical, but ultimately pointless move by the PM.
1) The HoC Remainers will not vote for any deal as it is their best way of blocking Brexit
2) Leavers in the HoC will not vote for a fudge, and that's all they'll get offered...

So, the issue of the Irish Border could lead to one of the IRA's biggest fans becoming PM! Truth is stranger than fiction.

You could be writing for The Sun with that right wing drivel.

 

[IanM]

Ok...so he only went to a few funerals and invited them to the HoC after blowing up a Party Conference.... and now sure how that is left or right wing. (using the definitions) Or maybe you think he'd didnt?

So, what is so wrong with the other two items.?