Bounce?

DarthVega said:
I'm not trying to throw fuel on a potential 'discussion' but I'm genuinely interested as I've already stated I dont know nor have ever known the bounce, nor did I think it was relevant to me......here's why I think that way;
when you strike the ball you hit the ball first THEN turf, correct?
plus the ball is on the face for a nano second (or thereabouts), correct?

in that case what does it matter how the bounce is reacting to the turf after you've hit the shot?
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thats the same thing i asked about the follow through. how can that affect the ball if you are only in contact with the ball for such a short lenght of time?
 
If bounce wasnt a factor,then why make loads of different wedges with different bounces.
For example Titleist.
Isnt one of there marketing selling points because of the amount choice they have got,
for all types of conditions.
Garyinderry makes a good point,in that a major short game guru,who has sold millions of
books,and is probably a muti millionaire off the back of his books,and he has worked with
many pros,including one of the best in Phil Mickelson.
He advocates that we should carry 4 or 5 wedges for all conditions.
 
DarthVega said:
what does it matter how the bounce is reacting to the turf after you've hit the shot?
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In the rough it matters as you have to go through a lot before the ball and the bounce can help you stop digging in, also in bunkers you hit the sand first.

From the short stuff I cannot see, with good technique, why bounce would have any positive effect.
 
Didnt i see a video recently from Luke Donald.
Basically he says a lot of ameteurs struggle with wedge play,purely because they dont use the bounce
of the club[the way it was designed].
 
pokerjoke said:
Didnt i see a video recently from Luke Donald.
Basically he says a lot of ameteurs struggle with wedge play,purely because they dont use the bounce
of the club[the way it was designed].
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He may well have done.

But I've seen him very close using a 5* bounce 60* wedge four or five times from pretty fluffy bunkers - and the longest putt he had was about 18 inches. He is the world #1 though and certainly the best bunker player!
 
My 49 wedge (bent to 50) and my 60 degree wedge both have 7 degrees of bounce

My 56 (bent to 55) has 12 degrees of bounce

My understanding is that the custom grinds on these wedges allow you to open up the face more (if needed) without seriously affecting the bounce angles. The bounce also helps you stop 'digging in'

I tend not to open up my wedges tho, prefer to just use the loft.

Maybe I'll understand it more in 3 weeks when I have my wedge lessons :thup:
 
Foxholer said:
He may well have done.

But I've seen him very close using a 5* bounce 60* wedge four or five times from pretty fluffy bunkers - and the longest putt he had was about 18 inches. He is the world #1 though and certainly the best bunker player!
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what luke is talking about is actually using the bounce that is on the club. he is not advocating HIGH bounce. :)
 
pokerjoke said:
Didnt i see a video recently from Luke Donald.
Basically he says a lot of ameteurs struggle with wedge play,purely because they dont use the bounce
of the club[the way it was designed].
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here is mark crossfield explaining how bounce works. he is using a 60 degree with only 5 degrees of bounce. he finds what he describes as an awful lie. it is, now imagine that awful lie in october or when it has been raining alot. he hits behind the ball. if he did that with a low bounce club in the wet than he would end up chunking it. if he used a high bounce club he would have a better chance of repeating the shot he pulled off when the weather was nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUFYgbsxU0Y
 
My view of bounce is you don't just hit the ball, you also hit the ground in a golf shot, if you are a digger, you hit it from a certain
angle, if you are a sweeper is another angle, bounce will just help diggers from a fat shot, and from what e see Luke is not a digger.
I may be wrong!.
 
garyinderry said:
you have not mentioned whether you have used a high bounce wedge before?
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I do not own, nor have I owned, any wedges that say they are low, medium or high bounce.

I currently have wedges with 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 & 14 degrees of bounce and I covered in detail in post #10 which I would use and why for certain situations.

Just to complete the picture, in (greenside) bunkers I aim to hit the sand first, elsewhere on the course I aim to hit the ball first - regardless of which club, which bounce and what grind.
 
ScienceBoy said:
In the rough it matters as you have to go through a lot before the ball and the bounce can help you stop digging in, also in bunkers you hit the sand first.

F.
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in the rough its the shaft that is more likely to get caught up and twist the head, cant see what bounce has to do with contacting some blades of grass before the ball.

I agree though that in bunkers (greenside) you hit the sand first, not sure what point you were trying to make there as you'll hit the sand first whether its a 3 iron or 60*
 
It not just a matter of hitting the sand first, if you hit the sand first with the leading edge it will tend to dig in and fluff the shot. If the sand is struck with the underside of the club the bounce will slide through the sand creating a wave that lifts the ball out. Its similar with rough, the bounce will slide through it.
 
duncan mackie said:
I do not own, nor have I owned, any wedges that say they are low, medium or high bounce.


Just to complete the picture, in (greenside) bunkers I aim to hit the sand first, elsewhere on the course I aim to hit the ball first - regardless of which club, which bounce and what grind.
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you seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about my use of low ,medium or high. i have given examples of various 56 degree wedges with different amounts of bounce which equate to low medium and high.

here is some pictures to help you visualise this..

http://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/upload/34898/images/MD-Golf-NV-Drew-Wedge.jpg

http://golf-monthly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11136/000003bd2/b476/MD-seve-icon-santander-wedge.jpg



the best way to play flop shot off a tight lie is to hit the shot slightly fat with the blade open. try it. you may be surprised. :)
 
garyinderry said:
you seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about my use of low ,medium or high. i have given examples of various 56 degree wedges with different amounts of bounce which equate to low medium and high.

here is some pictures to help you visualise this..

http://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/upload/34898/images/MD-Golf-NV-Drew-Wedge.jpg

http://golf-monthly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11136/000003bd2/b476/MD-seve-icon-santander-wedge.jpg



the best way to play flop shot off a tight lie is to hit the shot slightly fat with the blade open. try it. you may be surprised. :)
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absolutely no bees in any bonnets - I was simply answering the exact words you used in your post.

I would not be at all 'surprised' - do it with a high bounce sole on firm ground and I will even guarantee the result...100%

anyhow - this is clearly your thread so I'll leave you to it.
 
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