Swinglowandslow
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The bar could hardly be set any lower...
Every little chance you get.
you and your sense of fair play have been quite accurately described.
Boris the PM - a new beginning
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Every little chance you get.
you and your sense of fair play have been quite accurately described.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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you'll have noted what I subsequently said about Boris vs Corbyn...besides - this a thread about Johnson - so what's the grouse? And what's this about 'fair play' - Johnson is a deceitful liar...and that's not an opinion - it's a demonstrable fact.
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The system we have is that WE vote for the MP to represent us and not a vote for a PM.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Actually the American electorate didn't vote for Trump - they voted for Clinton by quite some margin (2.87million votes) - but Trump won the Electoral College. Plus the representatives from each state comprising the Electoral College don't necessarily have to vote for the candidate who won their state.
chrisd
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That's the point isn't it, we vote for our MP and/or preferred party , the US voters are voting for their leader.
ger147
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More US voters voted for Clinton than Trump in 2016.
chrisd
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That's a quirk of their system, my point was that the US vote for their president we vote for our MP
ger147
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Pretty big quirk!! The US voters voted for Clinton and they got Trump...
chrisd
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If the voting system is based on different colleges rather than individual votes that's that!
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But that’s the issue, in our system we can put a donkey in rosette in a safe seat and then end up with it as PM as WE have no say in it.
At least with Trump every voter had a choice.
chrisd
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Would you prefer to choose a Prime Minister even though he might not represent the party in power?
Old Skier
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Trouble is, we have close to 650 donkeys in Westminster these days. Not sure how we can ever get back to MPs who care more about the country than themselves. Perhaps by getting an electorate that does first.
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SocketRocket
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But that's the way many political elections work without proportional representation.
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It goes back to the standard of our MP’s and what we want as a Nation.
PM should always come from the Party in power.
Reemul
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Every voter always has a choice, it is the same in the UK, if voters don't liked the leadership choice you won't win, look at Corbyn and labour.
Anyone that thinks the American system is better than ours and that someone getting 2.8 million less votes is a deserved winner, well what can you say....
chrisd
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And for that reason we dont choose the PM and, typically those who don't vote for a particular party don't tend to like the PM
SocketRocket
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But it's not unlike our FPTP system. We vote for local MPs and the number of them is what creates Government not the overall number of votes.
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Never suggested the US system is better, just simply the fact the only people who have a say in who the actual PM in this Country is are those in that MP’s constituencey and as stated they tend to be in the safest of safe seats.
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No it’s not Chris, many times this Country has ended up with PM’s who were not in charge when the election was called and we’ve had good and bad PM’s from all parties.
Not all points of view boil down to who you voted for.
chrisd
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Given we dont vote for the PM then we don't have any argument who we end up with, we just vote differently next time. Bear in mind there was talk that Boris could lose his constituency seat in the last election and we could therefore have ended up with a different PM. We know that before we vote
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