Boris the PM - a new beginning

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
...from Hobbiton...:) But a Took or a Baggins has to be known...
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Still waiting Hugh.

Avoidance appears to your main tool when people point out there's two sides to this.

Do you agree with the EU have the same access to UK waters from Jan 21st?
Do you agree with the ECJ been the arbitrator from Jan 21st?
Do you agree with the EU being in charge of subsidies for UK industries?
Do you agree with the EU being in charge of quotas for trade agreements the UK might make with 3rd countries?
Do you agree with the EU's demand for a level playing field on standards?

Do you agree with the EU pulling the Canada-style deal they originally offered, stating that 'local' geography is the reason?

When will you ever, ever, ever side with the UK in this? Seriously Hugh, the battle to Remain is lost. Its now the battle for a good trade deal, and you never, ever side with the UK in this. Neither side will play fair, both sides wanting the best deal. When will you ever, ever support the govt in getting that good deal?

Still avoiding the questions I see. I will reply to everyone of your posts with these questions till you answer them, whichever of the threads you bring this up.

I think there was a Norwegian back in the 40's..............
 
Hobbit said:
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Do you agree with the EU have the same access to UK waters from Jan 21st?
Do you agree with the ECJ been the arbitrator from Jan 21st?
Do you agree with the EU being in charge of subsidies for UK industries?
Do you agree with the EU being in charge of quotas for trade agreements the UK might make with 3rd countries?
Do you agree with the EU's demand for a level playing field on standards?
Do you agree with the EU pulling the Canada-style deal they originally offered, stating that 'local' geography is the reason?
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FWIW (from a Remain voter, now committed to see 'Leave' implemented, but not at 'any cost'!) my replies are...
That's up for negotiation - but not automatically!
Certainly not! That, 'self determination', was one of the (perhaps THE for some politicians) fundamental reasons to leave!
No - they have other 'weapons' that can have the same effect though!
Absolutely not!
Shouldn't be agreed to - but no problem if that's what is agreed. Makes life for traders much simpler.
That was a (sneaky) negotiation ploy. UK/Boris should have (quietly) bitten their hand off to sign up to it! Instead he turned the oven off!
 
Mudball said:
IThey are already getting ready for new truck terminal in Kent (sad that the locals not want their houses near it, but that is a small price to pay for nation building)
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There are very few houses that near to the land that the Government have taken and there is also a big truck stop next to it already and plans for a massive Amazon warehouse. Huge numbers of lorries come up and down the M20 every day and the new terminal is directly off the new junction 10a, my only concern really is the lorries that park everywhere but the lorry parks, so that the drivers dont pay for parking at the truck stops!
 
chrisd said:
There are very few houses that near to the land that the Government have taken and there is also a big truck stop next to it already and plans for a massive Amazon warehouse. Huge numbers of lorries come up and down the M20 every day and the new terminal is directly off the new junction 10a, my only concern really is the lorries that park everywhere but the lorry parks, so that the drivers dont pay for parking at the truck stops!
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If you buy a house near a railway line.. can you complain if they put another line in? Probably not
 
chrisd said:
There are very few houses that near to the land that the Government have taken and there is also a big truck stop next to it already and plans for a massive Amazon warehouse. Huge numbers of lorries come up and down the M20 every day and the new terminal is directly off the new junction 10a, my only concern really is the lorries that park everywhere but the lorry parks, so that the drivers dont pay for parking at the truck stops!
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It's not their parking that bothers me it's their waste disposal activities ?
 
drdel said:
When the facilities are up and running any 'illegal' or anti social 'parking' should lead to the truck and load being impounded for 24 hours - the behaviour would soon stop.
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We should be more aggressive with european lorries than UK ones... remember we can make our own rules..
 
Hobbit said:
Still waiting Hugh.

Avoidance appears to your main tool when people point out there's two sides to this.

Do you agree with the EU have the same access to UK waters from Jan 21st?
Do you agree with the ECJ been the arbitrator from Jan 21st?
Do you agree with the EU being in charge of subsidies for UK industries?
Do you agree with the EU being in charge of quotas for trade agreements the UK might make with 3rd countries?
Do you agree with the EU's demand for a level playing field on standards?

Do you agree with the EU pulling the Canada-style deal they originally offered, stating that 'local' geography is the reason?

When will you ever, ever, ever side with the UK in this? Seriously Hugh, the battle to Remain is lost. Its now the battle for a good trade deal, and you never, ever side with the UK in this. Neither side will play fair, both sides wanting the best deal. When will you ever, ever support the govt in getting that good deal?

Still avoiding the questions I see. I will reply to everyone of your posts with these questions till you answer them, whichever of the threads you bring this up.

I think there was a Norwegian back in the 40's..............
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My point - on this discussion thread about Johnson - was not about Brexit pro and cons as such - it was about Johnson's language and promises in respect of such as 'the Brexit easy deal' and 'the Brexit frictionless border' that he sold the electorate. Some of us may well have bought these promises.

Brexit is done. We are leaving. Johnson is not done. We are stuck with him - and we are stuck with whatever he chooses to promise the electorate next in whatever context that is.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
My point - on this discussion thread about Johnson - was not about Brexit pro and cons as such - it was about Johnson's language and promises in respect of such as 'the Brexit easy deal' and 'the Brexit frictionless border' that he sold the electorate. Some of us may well have bought these promises.

Brexit is done. We are leaving. Johnson is not done. We are stuck with him - and we are stuck with whatever he chooses to promise the electorate next in whatever context that is.
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Why dont you just answer the questions?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
My point - on this discussion thread about Johnson - was not about Brexit pro and cons as such - it was about Johnson's language and promises in respect of such as 'the Brexit easy deal' and 'the Brexit frictionless border' that he sold the electorate. Some of us may well have bought these promises.

Brexit is done. We are leaving. Johnson is not done. We are stuck with him - and we are stuck with whatever he chooses to promise the electorate next in whatever context that is.
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And you still won't answer the questions. Lets be honest, if its at all possible for you, you cannot support a Tory govt and Johnson in getting a good deal but, by default, you obviously support the EU. I thought that as your son is out of work you'd be screaming for the best outcome possible for the UK and its economy. Can you honestly look in the mirror and support the EU in this, to the detriment of the UK? Very, very poor show Hugh. Very poor.
 
Is this an overreaction from Cummings and Bojo or are they terrified of what a report into Russian meddling in elections here might expose if not absolutely controlled by No10?
Failing Grayling was hardly the best choice for this role - too dense (but easily manipulated/controlled) and Julian Lewis, by all accounts a principled respected old guard Tory, knew it.

You can bet your boots Cummings will not rest until they have their puppet of choice back at the chair of ISC. Expect cover up after cover up.

Majority reduced in Commons at least.

This is how we are led.:confused:

https://news.sky.com/story/dr-julia...st-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301
 
Hobbit said:
And you still won't answer the questions. Lets be honest, if its at all possible for you, you cannot support a Tory govt and Johnson in getting a good deal but, by default, you obviously support the EU. I thought that as your son is out of work you'd be screaming for the best outcome possible for the UK and its economy. Can you honestly look in the mirror and support the EU in this, to the detriment of the UK? Very, very poor show Hugh. Very poor.
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I am not answering the questions because I am tired of the brexit machinations, my point is about Johnson - not brexit. Brexit is done. Johnson and his crew can get on with it.
 
maxfli65 said:
Is this an overreaction from Cummings and Bojo or are they terrified of what a report into Russian meddling in elections here might expose if not absolutely controlled by No10?
Failing Grayling was hardly the best choice for this role - too dense (but easily manipulated/controlled) and Julian Lewis, by all accounts a principled respected old guard Tory, knew it.

You can bet your boots Cummings will not rest until they have their puppet of choice back at the chair of ISC. Expect cover up after cover up.

Majority reduced in Commons at least.

This is how we are led.:confused:

https://news.sky.com/story/dr-julia...st-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301
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There is a chance now that the 'delayed' covered up election fraud Russian report will now be released, isn't this what this stooshie is all about.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
There is a chance now that the 'delayed' covered up election fraud Russian report will now be released, isn't this what this stooshie is all about.
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Was always going to be released but a version controlled completely by No 10 - that's why they're flapping in No 10 that they may have lost control over the release without their man in the chair.
 
Dominic Grieve (Chair of the ISC 2017-2019) tells us on Newsnight last night that it is the members of the ISC who elect the chair of the ISC - as they have done in electing Julian Lewis.

Matt Hancock tells us on Peston last night that the government appoints the chair of the ISC

The ISC website is clear I think (my bold)

http://isc.independent.gov.uk/

Membership

The Committee consists of nine Members, drawn from both Houses of Parliament and appointed by Parliament. The Chair of the Committee is elected by its Members.
 
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