Boris the PM - a new beginning

[Hobbit]

Appreciate the anti Scottish windup but keen to dispense with another lazy argument and as you're a facts guy - Scotland far from worst and better than UK average for 'government artists' (drawing the dole). All the worst areas in England.

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My post, very deliberately, had a winky smilie at the end. I did wonder who would bite first but didn't expect it to be you. It wasn't meant to offend, just a gentle joshing. I also appreciate that, in the main, employment rates aren't down to those that are unemployed, but to the investment in the region by businesses and governments.

 

[clubchamp98]

If we leave the EU and the Scots go independent will there be a hard border if Scotland rejoin the EU.?

 

[Fade and Die]

If we leave the EU and the Scots go independent will there be a hard border if Scotland rejoin the EU.?

Boris said he was going to build a wall and make the Scots pay for it.😜

 

[ColchesterFC]

Boris said he was going to build a wall and make the Scots pay for it.😜

That wont be a problem. If Scotland are still in the EU they'll have loads of eastern European builders to help them get it up in no time. 👍

 

[Kellfire]

I see Boris can’t even pronounce Stormont.

 

[Wolf]

If we leave the EU and the Scots go independent will there be a hard border if Scotland rejoin the EU.?

Ne interesting development wouldn't it.

I'm also intrigued as to what they'd do about defence forces as they'd have to have them independent of the British military and how they would meet the required NATO defence spend targets of 2% gross domestic product, which would be somewhere in excess of £2 billion sterling, obviously depending whether they joined NATO . Would require a large change in legislation as well.

 

[Dando]

Ne interesting development wouldn't it.

I'm also intrigued as to what they'd do about defence forces as they'd have to have them independent of the British military and how they would meet the required NATO defence spend targets of 2% gross domestic product, which would be somewhere in excess of £2 billion sterling, obviously depending whether they joined NATO . Would require a large change in legislation as well.

They’ve got all that oil remember, and irn bru and deep fried mars bars

 

[Lord Tyrion]

If we leave the EU and the Scots go independent will there be a hard border if Scotland rejoin the EU.?

Probably but it would be far easier to manage. Only a few key roads to set customs posts on, not the labyrinth of minor roads to patrol. Also no aggro between the locals, that has to help.

Hey, by then the frictionless border issues will have been fully resolved 😁

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You can be sure though that if you get your way, Faslane will be emptied and left for you to repair beachballs or whatever you choose

No....Plans are that it will be the home base of the Scottish Navy

 

[chrisd]

No....Plans are that it will be the home base of the Scottish Navy

😂😂😂😂😂

 

[Wolf]

No....Plans are that it will be the home base of the Scottish Navy

Yet you have to fund that navy & outfit it with personnel, ships, subs, train it and sustain it. Not quick solutions even if you already have the base.

Having seen the plans proposed a few years ago of how it would come to fruition you'd still be needing the help of the rest of the uk by coming to a deal to have some of our fleet given to you meaning even going it alone couldn't be done purely off your own back it would need be done with our support🤷‍♂️

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If we leave the EU and the Scots go independent will there be a hard border if Scotland rejoin the EU.?

Dunno mate depends if England want to build one.

It makes a lot more sense to have the EU/Whatsleftoftheuk border between Scotland and England than NI and Ireland.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yet you have to fund that navy & outfit it with personnel, ships, subs, train it and sustain it. Not quick solutions even if you already have the base.

Having seen the plans proposed a few years ago of how it would come to fruition you'd still be needing the help of the rest of the uk by coming to a deal to have some of our fleet given to you meaning even going it alone couldn't be done purely off your own back it would need be done with our support🤷‍♂️

Given to us.. our support..
Wow you are a long way behind what's occurring.

In your way of thinking......Maybees we can hold on to OUR trident subs, maybees renting oot a couple tae yoose yins at a huge cost.

 

[Wolf]

Given to us.. our support..
Wow you are a long way behind what's occurring.

Not at all a long way behind. The plans for independence included Scotland having to negotiate with the MOD to purchase naval vessels from the British Navy at a cut cost. So no you cant do that without the help of the rest of the UK.

Likewise the proposed plans had conditions built into to allow newly formed Scottish forces to have some of the British military already servicing personnel to set up their newly founded military. So if behind your rose tinted specs you don't think that's without the assurance of the British forces/government you're very much mistaken. Because terms of service alone prevent people just leaving or moving forces without consent, it won't be independent Scotland giving that consent it will be the MOD giving it.

Or are you proposing that you find the 2.5 billion pounds you'd need to commit to NATO from scratch and ask the 14000+ employed military/civilian contractors to leave you to it.

BTW all that's written above is direct from the Scottish Independence Party figures. You can claim all you want it will be on your terms but without the UK or another benefactor being willing to sell you/"give you what you need for an independent military you won't be able to have one that's workable for years if you think starting from scratch is the plan.

Edit: in response to that last sentence you just added. Trident, the Montrose, the new Poseiden the RAF just brought over to Lossiemouth etc. They aren't Scotland Doon... They belong to the Royal Navy, the Royal air force and the rest of the British forces, regardless where their based in the sovereignty. If you go independent you don't own them you have to broker a deal to get them, those words from your own SNP 5 years ago that you will have to make a trade deal to have them, which BTW were reiterated by the SNP minister for defence in revised proposals last year, where he again mentioned you'd have to enter negotiations to see if you can inherit from the British military 9% of the vessels but not including trident, or any subs. Also stated that you wouldn't have a fast jet capability, nor several other vessels or aircraft.. You get the land but not the goodies I'm afraid, not without the HM Forces say so.

 

[clubchamp98]

What percentage of the national dept would Scotland inherit if they did leave the UK.?

 

[Fade and Die]

Not at all a long way behind. The plans for independence included Scotland having to negotiate with the MOD to purchase naval vessels from the British Navy at a cut cost. So no you cant do that without the help of the rest of the UK.

Likewise the proposed plans had conditions built into to allow newly formed Scottish forces to have some of the British military already servicing personnel to set up their newly founded military. So if behind your rose tinted specs you don't think that's without the assurance of the British forces/government you're very much mistaken. Because terms of service alone prevent people just leaving or moving forces without consent, it won't be independent Scotland giving that consent it will be the MOD giving it.

Or are you proposing that you find the 2.5 billion pounds you'd need to commit to NATO from scratch and ask the 14000+ employed military/civilian contractors to leave you to it.

BTW all that's written above is direct from the Scottish Independence Party figures. You can claim all you want it will be on your terms but without the UK or another benefactor being willing to sell you/"give you what you need for an independent military you won't be able to have one that's workable for years if you think starting from scratch is the plan.

Edit: in response to that last sentence you just added. Trident, the Montrose, the new Poseiden the RAF just brought over to Lossiemouth etc. They aren't Scotland Doon... They belong to the Royal Navy, the Royal air force and the rest of the British forces, regardless where their based in the sovereignty. If you go independent you don't own them you have to broker a deal to get them, those words from your own SNP 5 years ago that you will have to make a trade deal to have them, which BTW were reiterated by the SNP minister for defence in revised proposals last year, where he again mentioned you'd have to enter negotiations to see if you can inherit from the British military 9% of the vessels but not including trident, or any subs. Also stated that you wouldn't have a fast jet capability, nor several other vessels or aircraft.. You get the land but not the goodies I'm afraid, not without the HM Forces say so.

BOSH! Have that Doon! 😂😂😂

 

[Dando]

No....Plans are that it will be the home base of the Scottish Navy

Do you need bases for rowing boats and pedalo’s

 

[Dando]

Not at all a long way behind. The plans for independence included Scotland having to negotiate with the MOD to purchase naval vessels from the British Navy at a cut cost. So no you cant do that without the help of the rest of the UK.

Likewise the proposed plans had conditions built into to allow newly formed Scottish forces to have some of the British military already servicing personnel to set up their newly founded military. So if behind your rose tinted specs you don't think that's without the assurance of the British forces/government you're very much mistaken. Because terms of service alone prevent people just leaving or moving forces without consent, it won't be independent Scotland giving that consent it will be the MOD giving it.

Or are you proposing that you find the 2.5 billion pounds you'd need to commit to NATO from scratch and ask the 14000+ employed military/civilian contractors to leave you to it.

BTW all that's written above is direct from the Scottish Independence Party figures. You can claim all you want it will be on your terms but without the UK or another benefactor being willing to sell you/"give you what you need for an independent military you won't be able to have one that's workable for years if you think starting from scratch is the plan.

Edit: in response to that last sentence you just added. Trident, the Montrose, the new Poseiden the RAF just brought over to Lossiemouth etc. They aren't Scotland Doon... They belong to the Royal Navy, the Royal air force and the rest of the British forces, regardless where their based in the sovereignty. If you go independent you don't own them you have to broker a deal to get them, those words from your own SNP 5 years ago that you will have to make a trade deal to have them, which BTW were reiterated by the SNP minister for defence in revised proposals last year, where he again mentioned you'd have to enter negotiations to see if you can inherit from the British military 9% of the vessels but not including trident, or any subs. Also stated that you wouldn't have a fast jet capability, nor several other vessels or aircraft.. You get the land but not the goodies I'm afraid, not without the HM Forces say so.

Have you not learnt that facts mean nothing

 

[Doon frae Troon]

BOSH! Have that Doon! 😂😂😂

Yes thanks.
The poster is now aware that negotiated UK assets are a lot different from the first stated 'ours' and 'what we decide to give you'.

 

[Wolf]

Have you not learnt that facts mean nothing

Oh crap I forgot valid reasoning doesn't count in these cases 😂