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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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Hitdaball said:
For the sake of humouring ourselves.

Boris - proven liar, proven aldulterer, happy to discuss assault with friends, happy to use highly suspect language when discussing race if it garners support, worst foreign secretary for some time ( and that’s a high bar), privately educated and a group of the elite class, huge inherited wealth, hated trump- now loves trump, changes his mind more than a guy at Gillingham Golf Club changes his socks.


Yes thank god we have him rather than Corbyn.

Lord save us all from populism. Keep reading the mail people.
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Boris in my opinion will be a stronger figure than Corbyn ever will be.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not his greatest fan but the cards have been dealt and we have to get on with it.
 
MegaSteve said:
Are you not overlooking Salmond's "Londoners need to be punished" ...

And, may I suggest closer scrutiny of wingsover comments...
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Dear Megasteve Esq.
Salmond is long gone and I think you would be pushed to find any serious anti English [as a nation] comments by the mainstream Independence bloggers. [other than replying to individual 1966 zoomers, German/Foreigner haters, EDF, Britain First, UKIP and other English far right organisations :love:]
Note the double spacing after the full stop.
 
Hitdaball said:
...and syphoned the profits to his mates via lower taxes for the very rich...
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As someone not in the higher income band, please explain how charging 40 or 45 percent of income for 'very high earners' can be described as 'lower taxes'!

There are certainly facilities available for we low earning folk to save tax - if we care to stop wingeing, get off our arses and do something about it! But, of course, that would reduce the 'us and them' divide that seems so prevalent!

Oh, and just remember that those who pay to send their offspring to Private schools not only have to pay (exorbitantly) for that privilege, but also reduce the burden, at least of pupils, on State schools!

Time you brushed that chip off your shoulder!
 
Hitdaball said:
For the sake of humouring ourselves.

Boris - proven liar, proven aldulterer, happy to discuss assault with friends, happy to use highly suspect language when discussing race if it garners support, worst foreign secretary for some time ( and that’s a high bar), privately educated and a group of the elite class, huge inherited wealth, hated trump- now loves trump, changes his mind more than a guy at Gillingham Golf Club changes his socks.


Yes thank god we have him rather than Corbyn.

Lord save us all from populism. Keep reading the mail people.
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You do realise that in any democratic system it is the group/person with the most votes that wins e.g. it attempts to let voters elect their most popular choice !
 
Foxholer said:
As someone not in the higher income band, please explain how charging 40 or 45 percent of income for 'very high earners' can be described as 'lower taxes'!

There are certainly facilities available for we low earning folk to save tax - if we care to stop wingeing, get off our arses and do something about it! But, of course, that would reduce the 'us and them' divide that seems so prevalent!

Oh, and just remember that those who pay to send their offspring to Private schools not only have to pay (exorbitantly) for that privilege, but also reduce the burden, at least of pupils, on State schools!

Time you brushed that chip off your shoulder!
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I’m in the higher tax bracket, I’m fortunate but would not class myself as very rich. I don’t think I have a chip on my shoulder.

The lower paid have consistently voted for parties who continue to allow the very rich to pay less tax (proportionally) than they might do , consistently voted for parties who allow global corporations to pay little to no tax in the countries where they earn their income which has consistently led to lower spend in services for the general population - and instead of apportioning the blame for that to the syphoning off resource to corporations, the Uber rich and those with poorly taxed property/land we allow the ruling class to peddle a myth of the blame lying at the feet of the poor and immigrants as perfectly displayed in your post. Turkeys voting for Xmas.

Until such a time as we become better educated about how populism allows the Uber rich to continue to control the lions share of wealth to their ends we are screwed.

But yeah , keep voting for the muppets as year on year my tax bill gets lower.
 
Hitdaball said:
Strawman argument. Populism and democracy are clearly not the same thing.
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Sorry your wrong: my statement is not a straw-man argument because it is not a fallacy. The entire basis of any democratic decision making is a process/system that seeks to find that option/person which has the greatest support in the relevant population - perhaps you might then explain how voters are NOT supporting their most popular choice.. .
 
Hobbit said:
That said, is a question like that really making best use of parliamentary time?
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No it isn’t, but scousers favourite topic of conversation is themselves. It’s always us, us, us...Ever tried to talk to a scouser about football? Can’t be done, they can only talk about Liverpool.
 
Hitdaball said:
I’m in the higher tax bracket, I’m fortunate but would not class myself as very rich. I don’t think I have a chip on my shoulder.

The lower paid have consistently voted for parties who continue to allow the very rich to pay less tax (proportionally) than they might do , consistently voted for parties who allow global corporations to pay little to no tax in the countries where they earn their income which has consistently led to lower spend in services for the general population - and instead of apportioning the blame for that to the syphoning off resource to corporations, the Uber rich and those with poorly taxed property/land we allow the ruling class to peddle a myth of the blame lying at the feet of the poor and immigrants as perfectly displayed in your post. Turkeys voting for Xmas.

Until such a time as we become better educated about how populism allows the Uber rich to continue to control the lions share of wealth to their ends we are screwed.

But yeah , keep voting for the muppets as year on year my tax bill gets lower.
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Most of the above is simply dogmatic twaddle!

Btw. I was, for 25+years, a '(significantly!) higher earner'! My disposable income - much of it duly disposed - contributed more to the economy than simple taxation of my earnings did!
As for corporations...there are ways to get the balance right, but it's more complicated than simply taxing profits! At least if the benefits of what large corporations bring to a country are to be 'encouraged' also!
 
drdel said:
Sorry your wrong: my statement is not a straw-man argument because it is not a fallacy. The entire basis of any democratic decision making is a process/system that seeks to find that option/person which has the greatest support in the relevant population - perhaps you might then explain how voters are NOT supporting their most popular choice.. .
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drdel said:
Sorry your wrong: my statement is not a straw-man argument because it is not a fallacy. The entire basis of any democratic decision making is a process/system that seeks to find that option/person which has the greatest support in the relevant population - perhaps you might then explain how voters are NOT supporting their most popular choice.. .
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Sheesh. Populism is different to being popular. Grab some nuance.
 
Foxholer said:
Most of the above is simply dogmatic twaddle!

Btw. I was, for 25+years, a '(significantly!) higher earner'! My disposable income - much of it duly disposed - contributed more to the economy than simple taxation of my earnings did!
As for corporations...there are ways to get the balance right, but it's more complicated than simply taxing profits! At least if the benefits of what large corporations bring to a country are to be 'encouraged' also!
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Sure they bring benefits , Ireland is in the middle of a boom from the tech giants that’s great to be part of. IF you are prt of it.

Twaddle, love it. Keep voting to be poorer fella 👍🏻
 
I am not sure who is being defined rich??? Down south, that line must be close to 200-250K mark. Anything below will see your earning being gobbled by taxes (40-45%), no personal deduction, mortgage (100k earner won’t live in a mud hut and a decent 3-4 bed will mortgage at 2-3K per month), private school (15-25k per year per kid) etc that’s before any ‘luxury’ like a holiday and car(s). You can’t keep taxing this bracket like you do for alcohol and tobacco. You can’t create a society by making the rich poor but by raising the poor up and give them aspirations and social mobility.
 
Acc to the Orange one, he and the Blonde one are working on a substantial deal.. now that should put a spanner in the work for the EU which says no deals till exit. Will this force a change in the WA.. masterstoke by Lord Boris of Zipline.

Trump: US and UK working on 'very substantial' trade deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49135045
 
Mudball said:
I am not sure who is being defined rich??? Down south, that line must be close to 200-250K mark. Anything below will see your earning being gobbled by taxes (40-45%), no personal deduction, mortgage (100k earner won’t live in a mud hut and a decent 3-4 bed will mortgage at 2-3K per month), private school (15-25k per year per kid) etc that’s before any ‘luxury’ like a holiday and car(s). You can’t keep taxing this bracket like you do for alcohol and tobacco. You can’t create a society by making the rich poor but by raising the poor up and give them aspirations and social mobility.
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I think if we are at a place where we can seriously think that £150k a year , even down south, should not be classed as well off then we have an issue of limited visibility of what its like to try and live on £20K anywhere.
 
I agree that the guy has some dodgy past behaviour, however he appears to have clearly laid out plans or ideas and has not been shy in coming forward in setting these out.
He is certainly NOT another grey, suited, corporate type afraid of upsetting one or two people and consistently wary of being politically correct.
The phrase "you have to break some eggs to make an omelette" springs to mind, and perhaps looking forward we now need to judge him, not by what he says, but by what he does.
As for the 'voting in' process, remind me how Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair.......
 
robinthehood said:
Do you really want me to go back and quote you, I mean you look foolish enough as it is.
Good.to see your goto move is still to be insulting .
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Thats hilarious coming from you, stop it im splitting my sides, oh dear, how ironic.

When Boris was made Foreign Secretary I suggested people should give him a chance and these are my exact sentiments now. Sorry if that doesnt fit your silly little mind game sweet cheeks xxx
 
SocketRocket said:
Thats hilarious coming from you, stop it im splitting my sides, oh dear, how ironic.

When Boris was made Foreign Secretary I suggested people should give him a chance and these are my exact sentiments now. Sorry if that doesnt fit your silly little mind game sweet cheeks xxx
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Oof and you've had all night to come up with that 🤣🤣
 
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