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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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IanM said:
I'm not a fan of Boris, but a few more sessions like yesterday sticking it right up the nasty little IRA/HAMAS cheerleader and I'll buy a blooming tee shirt!
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Any news on honouring his own promises? Pretty bored with team tory covering their own shortcomings by taking easy pops at Jezza and Ms Diane...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And how many times did we hear lead Leavers tell us that all that Cameron was saying about that was all Project Fear and not to be believed, and that the UK would be able to negotiate a great deal as the German car manufacturers and French wine producers would demand that - and that has not happened.

The fact about a No Deal departure is that we have absolutely no idea whether or not that is acceptable to the electorate (nor did the referendum vote give us any inkling of that) - and as we are continually told - opinion polls are just not good enough. It's the vote of the electorate that matters.
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You never seem to get it! No deal was the lever to get this good deal, as long as the EU beieve we are toothless and will have to accept what ever deal they wish to push over the table we will only be given the kind of deal countries get when they have lost a war.
 
MegaSteve said:
Any news on honouring his own promises? Pretty bored with team tory covering their own shortcomings by taking easy pops at Jezza and Ms Diane...
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...and bored listening to Tory Party deputy chairpersons and others telling us that because the UK will leave on 31/10 there is no Plan B. Because frankly not having a Plan B seem rather negligent - no matter how confident you are. But why should I be surprised given there does not seem to have been any serious planning or risk assessment in place for anything that has happened since the 23/06.
 
SocketRocket said:
You never seem to get it! No deal was the lever to get this good deal, as long as the EU beieve we are toothless and will have to accept what ever deal they wish to push over the table we will only be given the kind of deal countries get when they have lost a war.
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Oh I get it totally. And you are quite right. Following the referendum it was simply put up as a lever to get a great deal - it was never as far as I can recall something that was being offered to the country in the lead up to the vote. Remain warned about leaving the SM and the CU - Leave called those warnings Project Fear and to be ignored.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
...and bored listening to Tory Party deputy chairpersons and others telling us that because the UK will leave on 31/10 there is no Plan B. Because frankly not having a Plan B seem rather negligent - no matter how confident you are. But why should I be surprised given there does not seem to have been any serious planning or risk assessment in place for anything that has happened since the 23/06.
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Having no plan was a Remainer strategy. They believed it impossible to lose the vote.
 
I am not so sure Doon. (sadly) I remember some great Parliamentarians who I fundamentally disagreed with, but I respected their integrity. (Tony Benn, John Smith etc)

Those sort of folk are in short supply. I hope that the new Cabinet actually want to run the country, rather than have someone else do it.
 
robinthehood said:
Oof earlier you were telling us how you listened to both sides during the ref campaign and came to a decision to vote leave, but actually you've no real idea and were always going to vote leave.
Nice .
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No, we sat and listened to all the debates and they told us sod all about why we should remain. Whereas the Leave side had three key points and kept on message. I was on the leave side before the debates and was really looking forward to being informed of the FULL reasons why we, as a country, should stay within the European idea. But the remain side failed to do this. No wonder. Hey did you know that the European parliament is going to have it's own Nation anthem and a super duper army all of it's own as well. oh and to be full run by......THE GERMANS. Hmmmmm If we'd have been told THAT we'd not be having this online debate the vote would have been 90% out !!!!!!! and we'd have run a mile!!!!!!!!
 
MegaSteve said:
No different from the many Labour folk, South of the wall, who have been part of the independence from Brussels movement...
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Quite a bit really...... from 41 MP's to 1...…….that is a wipeout.:eek:
Joining a Scottish Unionist pact with the Tories in a UK election was an act of utter folly.

Ruth Davidson has gone right off the radar.
I think she will quit soon for a safe English Westminster seat.
Leaves the road open for a stand alone Scots Tory party like the UDP ahead of Independence.
 
Crazyface said:
No, we sat and listened to all the debates and they told us sod all about why we should remain. Whereas the Leave side had three key points and kept on message. I was on the leave side before the debates and was really looking forward to being informed of the FULL reasons why we, as a country, should stay within the European idea. But the remain side failed to do this. No wonder. Hey did you know that the European parliament is going to have it's own Nation anthem and a super duper army all of it's own as well. oh and to be full run by......THE GERMANS. Hmmmmm If we'd have been told THAT we'd not be having this online debate the vote would have been 90% out !!!!!!! and we'd have run a mile!!!!!!!!
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And if we had remained the idea of a stronger European fighting force would be a bad idea why?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Oh I get it totally. And you are quite right. Following the referendum it was simply put up as a lever to get a great deal - it was never as far as I can recall something that was being offered to the country in the lead up to the vote. Remain warned about leaving the SM and the CU - Leave called those warnings Project Fear and to be ignored.
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You seem to have forgotten what happened. Leave never called leaving the CU and SM project fear, it was a promise by the government.

If it makes it easier to follow consider it a backstop. Most prefer a good trade arrangement but not your country controlled by a foreign state.
 
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Crazyface said:
No, we sat and listened to all the debates and they told us sod all about why we should remain. Whereas the Leave side had three key points and kept on message. I was on the leave side before the debates and was really looking forward to being informed of the FULL reasons why we, as a country, should stay within the European idea. But the remain side failed to do this. No wonder. Hey did you know that the European parliament is going to have it's own Nation anthem and a super duper army all of it's own as well. oh and to be full run by......THE GERMANS. Hmmmmm If we'd have been told THAT we'd not be having this online debate the vote would have been 90% out !!!!!!! and we'd have run a mile!!!!!!!!
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Oof , oh deary me .
 
SocketRocket said:
It's not a good idea if it replicates or replaces NATO. Could we trust countries like France to be a political and military partner.
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We already have to under the guidance of NATO. A lot of people don't realise how so much of our operational tours are already governed by other forces, a lot of Operations in theatre are not because what we decide to carry out, but are for other nations or at least in accordance with them. I've done many Ops with French, Belgian, Dutch, Slovak and German Forces. Trust me they're all a lot better to work alongside than the Yanks.

I'm not saying a united EU force is a good or bad idea, it's has as many merits and as it does issues. The cut backs our forces have faced over the last 30 years shows we have a severe depletion in defence
 
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