Boris not running for PM

IainP said:
HK, I am not quite clear on your feelings on Boris, could you come off the fence a little? :)

Don't think I buy this outmanoeuvring talk, as soon as I read the (surprising) result I said that's Dave resigning today then. Wasn't there a letter before the result announcement asking him not to?
In terms of not running my guess is he wasn't seeing enough guaranteed support from the MPs, didn't want to go in as one of the 'favourites' to then not do well.
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There was a shameless letter from 60 odd tory leaver MPs expressing their support for him at the time that it looked like the remainers had won. Basically saying, please don't sack me. But it turned out they won anyway. As for Dave resigning then yes that was always going to happen. But it is the fact he did not trigger article 50 as he said he would in the event of a loss that brings up the conspiracy theorist in me. As I think he knew whoever eventually did it would be political toast. As did Boris.

As for not enough guaranteed support then possibly a reason as well, I see Gove and him have fallen out already squabling like children. I could say their true colours are shining though, they formed an uneasy alliance mostly to forward their personal political careers, took us into the wilderness by doing so and now have fallen out, under a week later. Horrible people. Yes have your petty political penis waving competitions if you must, but don't bring the whole country down with you.
 
And if you think I am harsh on him, if you are on Twitter then look up Ewan McGregor's tweet to Boris. Tuckeresque in its beauty.
 
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Have a look at how he performed in the in the Oxford Union presidency campaign. Have a look at his career with the Telegraph and the Times. Have a look at the issue of him providing someone's private address so that a friend could have them intimidated, allegedly. Have a look at his time with The Spectator, and his treatment of staff there. Have a read of his columns and decide whether or not his style is homophobic, maybe it isn't. And as for his (recent) opportunism...

He is incredibly bright, well educated and far more articulate than the buffoonery he regularly displays. As a person in power, he scares the living daylights out of me. I wouldn't trust him if he was in a country 10,000 miles away. He's a Trump with cunning guile... frightening prospect of someone who might be able to woo a nation into war... ??? Wonder who else might have done that in the past?
 
Hmmm..... trump Putin LePen Boris : what could be worse ....?


Oh crap, Gove who trumps the lot and makes them look like sensible calm puppy loving salts of the earth
 
As an outsider im confused a bit , ive no idea what Brexit will finally be , be it good or bad , but as the majority voted leave the rest have to respect it and the top people , for & against have an obligation to give it their best shot , its the privilege of the people & obligation of the elected in a democracy ..


What has me confused tho is the leave people saw Boris as the man to front the Leave bit (as far as I can see) but his own party & possibly the people don't see him as a worthy PM ..

If I was handling a campaign id put the best person to convince people forward , someone who believed in it enough to really push it forward , but if that person succeeded id like to think he would /could be the person to deliver what was promised & drive the change forward from the front ..



just passing a comment , know nothing or have no interest in British politics ..
 
So Gove has changed his mind after saying he wouldn't stand for PM . He epitomises what's worse about most politicians . The most untrustworthy politician of them all.
 
bladeplayer said:
As an outsider im confused a bit , ive no idea what Brexit will finally be , be it good or bad , but as the majority voted leave the rest have to respect it and the top people , for & against have an obligation to give it their best shot , its the privilege of the people & obligation of the elected in a democracy ..


What has me confused tho is the leave people saw Boris as the man to front the Leave bit (as far as I can see) but his own party & possibly the people don't see him as a worthy PM ..

If I was handling a campaign id put the best person to convince people forward , someone who believed in it enough to really push it forward , but if that person succeeded id like to think he would /could be the person to deliver what was promised & drive the change forward from the front ..



just passing a comment , know nothing or have no interest in British politics ..
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With the leave campaign there was not a lot of competition for credible people to lead it. If it was Farage then whilst he would have got quite a bit of support, I doubt he would have got enough to swing it. As he is more Marmite than Boris is. They needed a vaguely credible person, Boris at the time has a lot of support so he was the de facto leader.

But then again I would argue that a lot of people who voted leave did not do it as they wanted Boris as PM, they did it for a variety for reasons. Some sane, some as we have seen since, slightly more insane. Plus not all conservatives who will chose the next conservative leader were in the leave camp.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Heseltine on Boris Johnson

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This is how us outsiders see it aswell Phil ,

I am guilty of complete ignorance of the subject tho

Hacker Khan said:
With the leave campaign there was not a lot of competition for credible people to lead it. If it was Farage then whilst he would have got quite a bit of support, I doubt he would have got enough to swing it. As he is more Marmite than Boris is. They needed a vaguely credible person, Boris at the time has a lot of support so he was the de facto leader.

But then again I would argue that a lot of people who voted leave did not do it as they wanted Boris as PM, they did it for a variety for reasons. Some sane, some as we have seen since, slightly more insane. Plus not all conservatives who will chose the next conservative leader were in the leave camp.
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What has happened to that so quickly tho ? im sure a lot of talking & canvassing went on behind scenes , but support was not there then ? Does it say something that you trust your campaign to someone , they win, but don't trust that person to "be the man" when he achieves it ?

Were the wana be PM's up front in the leave campaign (genuine question as I don't know) or were they hiding as the weren't so sure it would get through .. ?
 
bladeplayer said:
This is how us outsiders see it aswell Phil ,

I am guilty of complete ignorance of the subject tho



What has happened to that so quickly tho ? im sure a lot of talking & canvassing went on behind scenes , but support was not there then ? Does it say something that you trust your campaign to someone , they win, but don't trust that person to "be the man" when he achieves it ?

Were the wana be PM's up front in the leave campaign (genuine question as I don't know) or were they hiding as the weren't so sure it would get through .. ?
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Have you ever seen the episode of Yes Minister becomes PM? I'm pretty sure that David Cameron has had sight of Boris's MI5 file and is sharing some of the info around......:whistle:
 
bladeplayer said:
This is how us outsiders see it aswell Phil ,

I am guilty of complete ignorance of the subject tho



What has happened to that so quickly tho ? im sure a lot of talking & canvassing went on behind scenes , but support was not there then ? Does it say something that you trust your campaign to someone , they win, but don't trust that person to "be the man" when he achieves it ?

Were the wana be PM's up front in the leave campaign (genuine question as I don't know) or were they hiding as the weren't so sure it would get through .. ?
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I think you are giving them too much credit and assuming they had any credible plans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...and-boris-johnson-has-unleashed-a7111416.html

Cameron never wanted to have a referendum, the leavers did not expect to win and we are making it up as we go along. Which is fine for an improvised comedy sketch. Not so great for the future of our nation.
 
Oh Gove is Murdoch's favoured candidate. So if you are a Sun or Times reader prepare for some industrial scale campaigning on their behalf. Plus I'm sure we'll find out how the vile Dacre favours soon enough.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
You and me both. This is becoming a very scary new dawn
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All new dawns are tho Martin , nothing new or great was ever achieved by the person hiding in the corner ..



Ive no idea of the outcome , but people will adapt , its human nature , unfortunately if the dung does hit the fan or while the dung is settling to its new level its the ordinary joe soaps that will take the hits
 
Cameron United his party for the election by offering a referendum. Which he gave. Ultimately he should have had a word and said the party needs to split up here and now. I think we would of had a mixed government but we would have seen the leavers in action in the House of Commons.
However that's water under the bridge, Boris has disappointed many, Gove should be the prime minster if article 50 wants to be instigated. May should stand for stay and just let it all come down to the leader selection. To press article 50 despite how strong you are perceived to be is political disaster... Unless you have some trade agreements in your back pocket.
 
I did say on the EU thread that the next few months are going to be very interesting re the Tory and Labour parties. At a time when this country needs stability and a strong leadership. Both parties are hell bent on ripping themselves apart.

Tories, lord knows what is going on there.

Labour, Corbyn Lord knows what is going on there.
 
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