Boris not running for PM

[Deleted member 18121]

1 - the situation has got a great deal worse

2 - How many times had the Polish club been covered in graffiti telling them to go home before Thursday

3 - Why are you attributing a housing crisis or recession or banks to being in the EU ?

1 - no it hasn't
2 - That particular club - not sure. I'm fairly confident other clubs etc will have been racially abused
3 - because numerous people have claimed that leave the EU will cause us a massive economic crisis, which includes housing and banks.

And on that note - I'm done. This "discussion" will run and run.

 

[Alex1975]

Really?

I see the flip side of the coin and a nation in transition after being brave enough to vote out of system the majority didn't agree with.

Boris wasn't the only Tory minister to back the Brexit. I'm guessing the fact others didn't wish to be considered makes them cowards also?

Respect! those who voted out were very clear that things were going to be tough. Let's be tough. Let's move forwards. It's clear from the noises through the rest of Europe that we are respected and envied for the corage we have shown as a nation.

It's a shame too see so many misunderstand what's going on and use the fads of the popular press to provide their opinions for them.

It's not going to be a short term thing but it is going to be a thing. A better thing.

The fact is, this is what's happening!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Boris was unelectable, and he knew it.
The country would not be fooled twice.
No surprise to me.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So Boris Johnson has supported a campaign that has wrecked and split the Nation, and destabilised Europe and the whole Western World, and now he just walks away! What a bozo!

chicken - and I heard on the radio some caller saying his strength was his loyalty - well what loyalty has he just shown to all those who have lined up behind him and voted to Leave. I find what he has done quite reprehensible.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

1 - no it hasn't
2 - That particular club - not sure. I'm fairly confident other clubs etc will have been racially abused
3 - because numerous people have claimed that leave the EU will cause us a massive economic crisis, which includes housing and banks.

And on that note - I'm done. This "discussion" will run and run.

You are in a heightened state of denial sir

 

[USER1999]

A vote for leaving the EU was not necessarily a vote for BoJo as PM. There is a difference.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A vote for leaving the EU was not necessarily a vote for BoJo as PM. There is a difference.

Oh - I agree - except it is the Tory Party membership who will vote on the new leader and hence the new PM, and not those who voted Leave - and I suspect that they would have looked upon Bojo as the Great Deliverer and would have anointed him leader in a flash. Meanwhile there are many who would have listened to BoJo doing his 'let's take the country back - make 23rd June Independence Day' speil at the end of the last TV debate and thought - that's the man for us - fully expecting him to become PM. But no.

 

[ColchesterFC]

chicken - and I heard on the radio some caller saying his strength was his loyalty - well what loyalty has he just shown to all those who have lined up behind him and voted to Leave. I find what he has done quite reprehensible.

I would level that same accusation at David Cameron. What happened to "Britain can not only survive outside the EU but will thrive" or "In Britain we don't quit, we stay and fight" or even "whatever the result I will stay on as Prime Minister". Or is that only when you get your own way Mr Cameron?

 

[jp5]

Not one to defend him, but Cameron never said we can thrive outside the EU.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

A vote for leaving the EU was not necessarily a vote for BoJo as PM. There is a difference.

I think most leavers in England and Wales [excluding Londoners] put 2+2 together though.

 

[Imurg]

chicken - and I heard on the radio some caller saying his strength was his loyalty - well what loyalty has he just shown to all those who have lined up behind him and voted to Leave. I find what he has done quite reprehensible.

So would you rather he stand, win and make a complete Horlicks of the next few years or realise that he's not up to the job..?
I know which I'd prefer..

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think the horror of what he has played a major part in has set in and he does not have the balls to trigger the actually trigger article 50, which he would have to do if he became PM. Well done Boris, you've made a great contribution to British society, now sod off and never darken our media again.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Not one to defend him, but Cameron never said we can thrive outside the EU.

Just a couple of quotes from news stories for you then.......

"[FONT=&quot]Britain is no longer “the sick man of Europe” it was in 1970s and could continue to thrive outside of the EU, David Cameron will say this week, as he prepares to set out his demands for reform ahead of the In-Out referendum."

[/FONT]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-britain-could-thrive-outside-europe-claims-david-cameron-a6726606.html

"[FONT=&quot]“No one doubts that Britain is a proud, successful thriving country. A nation that has turned round its fortunes though its own efforts. A far cry from the ‘sick man of Europe’ at the time we entered the European Economic Community four decades ago.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Whether we could be successful outside the European Union is not the question,” he will say."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-claim-uk-could-6796110

and a video clip for you as well......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JsrxXhCEc[/FONT]

 

[jp5]

Still yet to see anything where Cameron said we could thrive outside the EU.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Really?

I see the flip side of the coin and a nation in transition after being brave enough to vote out of system the majority didn't agree with.

I agree with this but and think in time, with other nations beginning to consider their own options it will be seen as a brave and forward thinking move. However with so much uncertainty and both main parties in turmoil that isn't now. I think Boris has been smart enough to realise that he gained some political ground with his Brexit campaign and would lose this and more if he stood for the Tory vote. Not saying it's a right or wrong decision and just hope whoever wins is giving full backing by the party and the tools to go ahead and work out what this vote really means for the UK and how best to implement it

 

[palindromicbob]

Heard Liam Fox on the radio today and thought he sounded pretty level headed. Shame about the expenses scandal.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Respect! those who voted out were very clear that things were going to be tough. Let's be tough. Let's move forwards. It's clear from the noises through the rest of Europe that we are respected and envied for the corage we have shown as a nation.

It's a shame too see so many misunderstand what's going on and use the fads of the popular press to provide their opinions for them.

It's not going to be a short term thing but it is going to be a thing. A better thing.

The fact is, this is what's happening!

I assume you are talking about all the readers of the Mail and Express who voted out as they are force fed scare stories about immigrants every day. If so fine point well made sir.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I agree with this but and think in time, with other nations beginning to consider their own options it will be seen as a brave and forward thinking move. However with so much uncertainty and both main parties in turmoil that isn't now. I think Boris has been smart enough to realise that he gained some political ground with his Brexit campaign and would lose this and more if he stood for the Tory vote. Not saying it's a right or wrong decision and just hope whoever wins is giving full backing by the party and the tools to go ahead and work out what this vote really means for the UK and how best to implement it

Or you could say he is a political clown shoe who used this mostly for his naked political ambition but was ultimately outmaneuvered by Cameron who refused to invoke article 50. This meant that Boris would have to do it if he gained power. And he does not have the balls to do this, as his attempt to lose by a little margin, thus enabling him to not have to worry about coming out of Europe but to have gained political capital, backfired when they actually won. And in the process he has led in a divided Britain, a rise in intolerance and more than likely the break up of the union.

To me he is one of the most vile politicians there has been in recent times. Please don't be fooled by the lovable mop top, says vaguely silly things act. He's even worse than Farage as, despite the fact I loath Farage and everything he stands for, at least I expect he would have had the balls to follow through and invoke article 50 and he truly believed in what he was campaigning for. Boris is just a political chancher who has potentially caused this nation a great deal of heartache. And Gove can do one as well.

 

[BubbaP]

Or you could say he is a political clown shoe who used this mostly for his naked political ambition but was ultimately outmaneuvered by Cameron who refused to invoke article 50. This meant that Boris would have to do it if he gained power. And he does not have the balls to do this, as his attempt to lose by a little margin, thus enabling him to not have to worry about coming out of Europe but to have gained political capital, backfired when they actually won. And in the process he has led in a divided Britain, a rise in intolerance and more than likely the break up of the union.

To me he is one of the most vile politicians there has been in recent times. Please don't be fooled by the lovable mop top, says vaguely silly things act. He's even worse than Farage as, despite the fact I loath Farage and everything he stands for, at least I expect he would have had the balls to follow through and invoke article 50 and he truly believed in what he was campaigning for. Boris is just a political chancher who has potentially caused this nation a great deal of heartache. And Gove can do one as well.

HK, I am not quite clear on your feelings on Boris, could you come off the fence a little?

Don't think I buy this outmanoeuvring talk, as soon as I read the (surprising) result I said that's Dave resigning today then. Wasn't there a letter before the result announcement asking him not to?
In terms of not running my guess is he wasn't seeing enough guaranteed support from the MPs, didn't want to go in as one of the 'favourites' to then not do well.

 

[drdel]

I wonder how many of those writing caustic comments about Boris have met the guy in a professional capacity.

From personal experience I can say he's far from stupid, was always well briefed and when a decision was needed he made it.

However I think he was wrong as a PM, Mr Gove did an excellent hatchet job, and is obviously trustworthy. His wife, a journalist emails him (and copies her editor) and despite declaring no interest in the PM job now finds he is needed by his country.

May is head on shoulders above the rest.