Bogey comps.

[USER1999]

Rubbish format. Needs to be banned. When I played off 9, (when....) it was the only format where I could shoot 9 under handicap, level par, 9 birdies on the wrong holes, 9 bogeys, on the wrong holes, and not get cut. How stupid is that?

 

[Maninblack4612]

No countback ?

Even in monthly stableford and medals etc

I was talking about proper club comps, only one of which, I'm glad to say, is Bogey.

 

[rosecott]

Because there is a narrower range of possible scores that anyone can have. And, in our comps, there is no count back, there has to be a full 18 hole (sometimes 36 hole) playoff. Most years, our one & only bogey competition finishes up tied.

Scores in our most recent Bogey competition ranged from +5 to -10
Scores in our most recent Stableford competition ranged from 28 to 42 points
Scores in our most recent Medal competition ranged from 68 to 84

Not much of a narrower range there.

 

[ExRabbit]

Need to check.

 

[ExRabbit]

Rubbish format. Needs to be banned. When I played off 9, (when....) it was the only format where I could shoot 9 under handicap, level par, 9 birdies on the wrong holes, 9 bogeys, on the wrong holes, and not get cut. How stupid is that?

But if you had had 9 birdies and 9 double bogeys in the same way, your score would have been the same - swings and roundabouts.

 

[BTatHome]

As usual it's a devisive format, but some of the comments here are just silly. How you can get upset and suggest banning them is madness. The rules are pretty obvious and since matchplay is not banned then I can't see why the problem. Not using countback to sort out your comes seems a huge oversight though .... I would be hugely unimpressed to find have to do a playoff after finishing my round four hours ago ... and in all honesty I wouldn't be around to play the payoff anyway as I'd have gone home a long time before the final finishers had come in.

Back to the original question ... it's a known format and is covered by the handicapping system, so we have it has a qualifier at our course. Can't see why you want to not have it as a qualifier.

 

[chrisd]

It's a qualifier at ours and, in the event of a tie we have in all our Major board comps, an 18 hole playoff. Countback is only for lesser comps and monthly medals etc

 

[Ross61]

Back to the original question ... it's a known format and is covered by the handicapping system, so we have it has a qualifier at our course. Can't see why you want to not have it as a qualifier.

The problem I see is that for handicap purposes unless nett bogies are recorded the hole will be counted as nett double bogey. I.e. If you pick up when you can no longer make nett par but could possibly make nett bogey. Therefore you could be raised .1 for missing your buffer.
Also you might play a different less riskier shot if you knew you didn't need to make nett par to score.

 

[BTatHome]

The problem I see is that for handicap purposes unless nett bogies are recorded the hole will be counted as nett double bogey. I.e. If you pick up when you can no longer make nett par but could possibly make nett bogey. Therefore you could be raised .1 for missing your buffer.
Also you might play a different less riskier shot if you knew you didn't need to make nett par to score.

its not a problem, the handicapping system has taken care of how to calculate the buffer, cuts and increase based on bogey scoring, no point in trying to second guess it. If you win overall against the course then you'll likely get a cut (based on CSS).

You can spend a long time arguing the relative merits of the system in place but it makes no difference as the rules are set and if your running it as a qualifier then those are the rules your playing by. A 10 on the card is still the same hole loss as a bogey to me, and the rules don't care how many shots you lost the hole by. The handicapping is based on hole win/loss, not score recorded on the hole.

 

[BTatHome]

It's a qualifier at ours and, in the event of a tie we have in all our Major board comps, an 18 hole playoff. Countback is only for lesser comps and monthly medals etc

i struggle to see the reason for having an 18 hole playoff for an 18 hole comp .... which must surely be held on another day too.
We have a playoff only on our club champs, and it's single hole playoff.

 

[spongebob59]

Think I'll check today, if it's a qualifier then I'll try and buffer.
If it's just fun I'll have a go at shots I wouldn't normally take on.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think his point was that if you receive a stoke on the hole. if you gross birdie it (nett Eagle) you don't get any more points than if you Gross par (nett birdie) the hole.

As I said the whole idea of the competition is that you play to win the hole.
The opposite of what you suggest is taking a 9 in a bogey competition and only losing one hole.

 

[Crow]

We have two a year, both qualifiers and both with countback on ties.

I didn't like the format when I first played it but do now.

They're slightly different to the usual medal or Stableford and as others have said require a matchplay mindset, only you know what your opponent will score before you tee off.

This means that you can play safely if you start the hole well or aggressively when you've got into a bit of trouble, particularly on putts, if you know that it's a must make putt for a half.

Our course has a lot of sloping holes which usually require a cautiously paced putt when you're above the hole, if it's your last chance putt then you can give it more of a roll than you would normally.

 

[Maninblack4612]

As usual it's a devisive format, but some of the comments here are just silly. How you can get upset and suggest banning them is madness. The rules are pretty obvious and since matchplay is not banned then I can't see why the problem. Not using countback to sort out your comes seems a huge oversight though .... I would be hugely unimpressed to find have to do a playoff after finishing my round four hours ago ... and in all honesty I wouldn't be around to play the payoff anyway as I'd have gone home a long time before the final finishers had come in.

Back to the original question ... it's a known format and is covered by the handicapping system, so we have it has a qualifier at our course. Can't see why you want to not have it as a qualifier.

It's played later on a different day!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Surely the issue with countback and bogey comps is, you can only countback on holes, up, down or halved and not actual score on the hole......or am I missing something.

 

[delc]

Surely the issue with countback and bogey comps is, you can only countback on holes, up, down or halved and not actual score on the hole......or am I missing something.

You can still have a better back 9, back 6, etc, in terms of holes up, for deciding ties.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You can still have a better back 9, back 6, etc.

Yes, I get that, but it can inly be on holes, not shots on holes, ie

2 people tie and last 3 holes are both 16th - Up, 17th - Up, 18th - down,

If one marks his card as nett eagle on 17th for being Up and the other has a nett birdie for being Up there is no difference in that format, so actual score on hole doesn't count. simply both were 1 up against the course, the better score goes unrewarded and you'd go to back 6.

If the strokes taken are used then people would have to putt out on all holes.

 

[delc]

Yes, I get that, but it can inly be on holes, not shots on holes, ie

2 people tie and last 3 holes are both 16th - Up, 17th - Up, 18th - down,

If one marks his card as nett eagle on 17th for being Up and the other has a nett birdie for being Up there is no difference in that format, so actual score on hole doesn't count. simply both were 1 up against the course, the better score goes unrewarded and you'd go to back 6.

If the strokes taken are used then people would have to putt out on all holes.

The same thing could happen in a Stableford, if one player blobs a hole with a 7 and another one with an 8 or a N/R!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The same thing could happen in a Stableford, if one player blobs a hole with a 7 and another one with an 8 or a N/R!

Hence my point about no reward for better golf? and asking the question, so in Bogey countback it is holes only and not shots?

 

[BTatHome]

Yes, I get that, but it can inly be on holes, not shots on holes, ie

2 people tie and last 3 holes are both 16th - Up, 17th - Up, 18th - down,

If one marks his card as nett eagle on 17th for being Up and the other has a nett birdie for being Up there is no difference in that format, so actual score on hole doesn't count. simply both were 1 up against the course, the better score goes unrewarded and you'd go to back 6.

If the strokes taken are used then people would have to putt out on all holes.

if you wanted to use another method for countback then yes you'd have to putt out and record all holes ... but that would against the idea of the "matchplay against the course". The idea of there being no reward for better golf simply doesn't work in any handicap game. You play the game by the stipulated rules, so the better golfer is the one that wins according the rules laid out. if you don't like the idea of the bogey golf game, or the countback method then there's little to be done about it if you entered on those rules.

Scratch medal is probably the only format where the better golfer always wins