BLM protests/ Riots.

[Dando]

ooh what happened...blocked him a few days ago when he had a meltdown. Maybe he was out chucking bikes at police horses today

The guy is a “something I want to say
but can’t as I don’t want a fraggering”

 

[Blue in Munich]

ooh what happened...blocked him a few days ago when he had a meltdown. Maybe he was out chucking bikes at police horses today

Post #44 in this thread will explain.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s good that the statue has been removed but not in the way that it has happened

The people of Bristol have campaigned and requested that the statue be removed , they believed it was a stain on their history , whilst his name and money is on other the statue seemed a celebration of him which they wanted removed. It’s the same sort of principle where they have removed or were planning on removing the statue of Robert E Lee.

Good that it’s gone but poor in the way it happened

 

[User20205]

I get that, but in order to show their opposition to being treated like second class citizens, they behave like, well, second class citizens, thus reinforcing the stereotypes of which they complain. You really couldn't make it up.

The attack on Lincoln's statue is so stupid it's mind blowing.

Don’t necessarily agree or endorse smashing stuff up, but I can see how it could be viewed as a celebration of oppression, Same with Churchill. Not so much Lincoln

 

[SocketRocket]

It's not a question of changing history, more being honest with ourselves about it so we can learn from it. I wonder if the pupil's at Colston's school know how he made the money to found it? Personally I think monuments like this should be in museums where the unvarnished story can be told.

Of course the pupils know who he was and how he made his money, I think they are intelligent enough to understand that you cannot judge peoples past lives based on current principles. How far would you take this and how many monuments have to be destroyed because the person had different standards than we hold today, how about Julius Ceaser, Alfred the great, Nelson and so on. Shall we burn the books where they are mentioned. You can only view history through the context of it's time. To do otherwise is stupid and ignorant.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

What’s the thoughts about the destruction of Coulstons statue in Bristol today? It was ripped down & chucked in the harbour

I’m conflicted, it’s wanton vandalism but.....

Good question. I think it should have been removed a while ago. I'm uncomfortable with what was done, mob rule is not correct, but i can see how it could happen right now.

I'm not one for re-writing history and removing all examples of our past but from what I've read this should have been an obvious one to remove.

One for the liverpool lads. Liverpool was another port involved in slavery, are there equivalent statues there or have they been removed? If so, are they now in the slavery museum or in a basement somewhere out of sight?

 

[User20205]

Of course the pupils know who he was and how he made his money, I think they are intelligent enough to understand that you cannot judge peoples past lives based on current principles. How far would you take this and how many monuments have to be destroyed because the person had different standards than we hold today, how about Julius Ceaser, Alfred the great, Nelson and so on. Shall we burn the books where they are mentioned. You can only view history through the context of it's time. To do otherwise is stupid and ignorant.

I believe at the time there was an understanding that slavery was wrong. Otherwise why a whole
Scientific movement to legitimise. Re books, there are some books that quite rightly aren’t in general circulation. A ‘study of’ isn’t a an endorsement

 

[SocketRocket]

It’s good that the statue has been removed but not in the way that it has happened

The people of Bristol have campaigned and requested that the statue be removed , they believed it was a stain on their history , whilst his name and money is on other the statue seemed a celebration of him which they wanted removed. It’s the same sort of principle where they have removed or were planning on removing the statue of Robert E Lee.

Good that it’s gone but poor in the way it happened

Where did you get that the people of Bristol have campaigned and requested the statue be removed. I grew up in Bristol and never heard such things, the only people I know of have been a minority of students and recently.

 

[PNWokingham]

ooh what happened...blocked him a few days ago when he had a meltdown. Maybe he was out chucking bikes at police horses today

he is very very naughty boy who idolises other naughty boys and girls and is happy when they do naughty things

 

[SocketRocket]

I believe at the time there was an understanding that slavery was wrong. Otherwise why a whole
Scientific movement to legitimise. Re books, there are some books that quite rightly aren’t in general circulation. A ‘study of’ isn’t a an endorsement

But its history. Whatever it was has past and we have moved on.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Apparently nearly half the number, that have died from CV19 in the U.K., died in transport on Colston’s slave ships.
Approx 19,000 out of 84,000.

I have absolutely no issue with a statue to him being destroyed.

 

[User20205]

But its history. Whatever it was has past and we have moved on.

Agreed, begs the question though, what else could be a ‘legitimate’ target

 

[SocketRocket]

Clearly what I suggested doesn't involve destroying anything nor trying to remove references to anyone. Just telling the full story, the truth.

But you asked a question about the pupils of Colstons schools. I gave you an answer so where's the full story, the truth then?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Agreed, begs the question though, what else could be a ‘legitimate’ target

The pyramids in Egypt? Lots of slaves died during the construction of those.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

That was intended as a rhetorical question. Having already been taken to task by one expert today I hesitate to ask how you know so much about what the pupils of a particular school have and haven't been told about their benefactor and whether they were always aware of it. (Now fully expecting to hear you went there as a lad)

Regardless, if I visited Bristol I would see the street names, the school and the statue and read the sign and think what a great man he was. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

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[Pin-seeker]

Anthony Joshua really hasn’t done himself any favors after shoee we Int himself to be a racist.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Where did you get that the people of Bristol have campaigned and requested the statue be removed. I grew up in Bristol and never heard such things, the only people I know of have been a minority of students and recently.

Maybe you are a bit out of touch about the city then

Family live in and around the city

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-bristol-45825768

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42404825

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-39718149

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42202801

 

[SocketRocket]

That was intended as a rhetorical question. Having already been taken to task by one expert today I hesitate to ask how you know so much about what the pupils of a particular school have and haven't been told about their benefactor and whether they were always aware of it. (Now fully expecting to hear you went there as a lad)

Regardless, if I visited Bristol I would see the street names, the school and the statue and read the sign and think what a great man he was. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

I have already said I was born and grew up in Bristol, I went to school in Bristol, I started work in Bristol, please dont patronise me on what Bristolians know about their city. Colston started four schools in Bristol. Cheap dig Kaz.

Colston funded slave ships, theres no getting away from that or what a horrible trade it was and his complicity. What I am saying is it's stupid for people to think they can change the past by defiling a statue, has history been changed by it. Bristol council were going to put a placard on the statue to tell people of his complicity in the slave trade, that sounds a better plan to me.

 

[SocketRocket]

Maybe you are a bit out of touch about the city then

Family live in and around the city

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-bristol-45825768

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42404825

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-39718149

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42202801

How do those links detract from what I posted, they refer to an MP and a junior school. The vast majority of people in Bristol have not has issues with Colston's statue. They know the history and the context of it.

What monuments are there in liverpool that have a link to the slave trade and are they being removed?

 

[spongebob59]

Peaceful my a£#e

https://twitter.com/x/status/1269708569903063046